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  •  The issue is mostly that (15+ / 0-)

    we no longer have viable mechanisms for which we as a society can discuss social problems, social issues and social solutions, so that "keeping and bearing arms" becomes a meaningful course of action for people to respond to the social problems and issues they confront in their lives.

    And that's just accepted rather than questioned.

    I don't think it's media that has turned these unstable folks into heroes, at least not directly.

    I do think that the proto-libertarian discourse that both gun rights' advocates and gun advocates use can have a tendency to make the "lone gunman defending his rights" logic seem viable, and that makes it easier to think of what that person has done as possibly heroic, or at least consistent with other like acts that they do think of as heroic.  

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 01:12:04 PM PST

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    •  Do we know yet (2+ / 0-)
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      whether the shooter favored owning guns before he decided to have this argument?

      In these "work related" cases I always wish I could interview the shooter BEFORE he takes that shotgun (or whatever) to the office.
      I could make up a story (based on my own work exprience) in which this guy is a martyr.

      Yeah.  We don't solve society's problems because we can't even talk (sanely) about them.

      Do what Jesus would do if he were rich.

      by jestbill on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 01:53:25 PM PST

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    •  Of course we have viable (3+ / 0-)

      mechanisms to use to discuss problems, social or otherwise.
       The problem is what you said above- the guy thought shooting people was the answer to his problems, and didn't stop to think that the problems in his life have just begun.
      And yes, it was certainly acceptable by the right wingers- remember Palin's map that came out after Gabby Giffords shooting with all the cross hairs on it?
      And the signs at Tea Party rallies?
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      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 02:31:44 PM PST

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      •  No we don't (2+ / 0-)
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        They aren't really working right now: look at the really inadequate and dysfunctional media system we have; our governmental systems are breaking down.  There's no such thing as genuine dissent in our democracy any more, just distractions and monkey wrenching.  And even among like-minded groups the understanding of what any of the following kinds of voices are and how they fit into the public sphere, i.e. the  majority/minority/opposition and other interests is severely lacking in practice.

        If you throw in how fundamentally inadequate our behavioral health systems are for addressing these issues, and I'll note, even the basic communication skills of people I work with today, we can't seem to make each other understand what any of us are doing, and we all work in th same place.

        Those are just broad swipes I'm making from where I sit of the stuff that doesn't really work well/right anymore.  I see it reproduced in many settings.  

        Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

        by a gilas girl on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 02:40:57 PM PST

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