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  •  He didn't add to the level of respect (3+ / 0-)
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    with those numbers, whatever his record.

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    Who is twigg?

    by twigg on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 06:20:45 AM PST

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    •  Absolutely wrong, Twigg -- a little bit of (2+ / 0-)
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      knowledge on the subject will take you, the diarist and your click fans a long way.

      Dr. Marvin Wolfgang, was someone who described himself as a passionate gun loather.  When he died of leukemia in 1998, he was a professor of criminology at Penn and the president of the American Academy of Political and Social Science.

      So why is this relevant, you might ask.  OK, bear with me; his New York Times obituary noted:

      Professor Wolfgang, a Philadelphia resident, was acknowledged in 1994 by the British Journal of Criminology as ''the most influential criminologist in the English-speaking world.''
      and, significantly ...
      He expanded the field of criminology by introducing and perfecting a methodology in which great masses of data like arrest records are analyzed over years to discern patterns of violence and crime.
      So ... he was an extraordinarily brilliant criminologist and a seminal expert in the field of statistical analysis of crime data.  But again, so what, you might ask.. But let me go on.  

      Here are selected excerpts from Dr. Wolfgang's thoughts on Dr. Kleck's work published in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology entitled A Tribute to View I Have Opposed:

      I am as strong a gun-control advocate as can be found among the criminologists in this country. If I were Mustapha Mond of Brave New World, I would eliminate all guns from the civilian population and maybe even from the police. I hate guns--ugly, nasty instruments designed to kill people.
      What troubles me is the article by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz. The reason I am troubled is that they have provided an almost clear-cut case of methodologically sound research in support of something I have theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun in defense against a criminal perpetrator. Maybe Franklin Zimring and Philip Cook can help me find fault with the Kleck and Gertz research, but for now, I have to admit my admiration for the care and caution expressed in this article and this research.
      Nonetheless, the methodological soundness of the current Kleck and Gertz study is clear. I cannot further debate it.
      The Kleck and Gertz study impresses me for the caution the authors exercise and the elaborate nuances they examine methodologically. I do not like their conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I cannot fault their methodology. They have tried earnestly to meet all objections in advance and have done exceedingly well.
      http://www.saf.org/...

      So ... dear Twig, please us all again exactly how Dr. Kleck's work has in any respect diminished the level of respect of others because of his methodology, analysis and conclusions within this highly specialized field of study ... however much you, the diarist and other regulatory polemicists dislike the what he found.  

      •  Wolfgang did not know that K&G included (1+ / 0-)
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        multiple responses from the habitual 911 callers, or that they included "responses" to animals.

        That did not come out until they were forced to open up with the raw data.

        "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

        by bontemps2012 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 01:09:27 PM PST

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