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  •  the day I lost most respect for the "gun defense" (23+ / 0-)

    folks was shortly after I brought home my Walther PPK pistol (I enjoy target shooting) and went on an online forum to ask if anyone had any experience using frangible ammo in the PPK (that particular pistol is notorious for jamming very easily with anything other than the full-jacketed ammo it was designed for). I explained that although I use it solely for target shooting, since it was gonna be here in my apartment anyway I'd like to have a mag of frangible ammo for it in the enormously unlikely event that I needed to use it in apartment defense, and I wanted ammo that would not go through the walls and hit someone in the apartment next door.

    At least half a dozen people piped up that I shouldn't care what happens to my neighbors next door, since they were probably criminals anyway (I mentioned that I live in a brown-skinned part of town).

    That is when I realized that an alarmingly high proportion of "gun defense" enthusiasts, are screwed in the head.

     

    •  And by 'screwed in the head'... (10+ / 0-)

      You mean racist.  I think the easiest way to get gun control is to get a bunch of deadly weapons into the hands of brown people and get them to carry those weapons everywhere.  Then we would see gun control passed at 'Heidi-Bowl' speeds.

      'Guns don't kill people, video games do - paraphrased from Lamar Alexander (Sen-R-TN)'

      by RichM on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 03:52:36 PM PST

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      •  absolutely (12+ / 0-)

        The racism in gun circles is rampant and ever-present. When they say "criminals", they have a very definite image in mind.

        And you are absolutely correct:

        I think the easiest way to get gun control is to get a bunch of deadly weapons into the hands of brown people and get them to carry those weapons everywhere.  Then we would see gun control passed at 'Heidi-Bowl' speeds.
        When Malcolm X and the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense began encouraging African-Americans to carry weapons to defend themselves against police brutality, the scared-shitless rednecks couldn't pass enough gun-control laws quickly enough.
        •  btw I usually avoid the whole gun control "debate" (6+ / 0-)

          because as a gun owner who has been hunting/shooting for 40 years and who fully favors strict tight regulations and banning of most weapons, I find that both sides usually consider me a heretic and treat me accordingly.  (shrug)

          But I long ago concluded that the whole gun "debate" really isn't about guns at all--it's about one group of people declaring "you can't tell me what to do !!!" and another group declaring "oh yes we can !!!" That's why every such "debate" always inevitably degenerates into an argument about "rights !!!"

          •  I should probably correct this . . . . (5+ / 0-)
            because as a gun owner who has been hunting/shooting for 40 years
            I started hunting at the age of 12 and continued for about 8 years. My family was very poor and lived in rural Pennsylvania, so most times whether we had meat in the spaghetti sauce depended solely on how good a shot I was.

            I stopped hunting as soon as we no longer needed it, and haven't hunted since. The only stalking I do in the woods nowadays is with a camera.

            I do still enjoy punching holes in pieces of paper, though, and try to get to the target range as often as I can.

          •  Len F - I think you've nailed the real situation - (0+ / 0-)

            As a mom, I keep seeing the 'unregulated guns' people as 2yr old toddlers arguing with parents who have safety as a top priority.
            Most of the people I know who are NRA supporters are at that emotional level & it scares me that they have guns 'to play with.' They don't think safety is important & they consistently make bad choices, while screaming about 'adult=freedom.' And then there's the drug & alcohol use ...

            I don't live within shooting range of them for a reason.

            Something that doesn't make good sense, makes bad sense. That means someone is being deliberately hurtful & selfish. Look for motives behind actions & words.

            by CA wildwoman on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 02:03:05 PM PST

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    •  Did you ever find a solution for your PPK? (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm not familiar with that particular gun but I would think that some tweaking of the magazine might make it work better with the frangible rounds. Lighter/heavier feed spring or slight tweaking of the tabs at the top might cure the problem. In a safe shooting area, action the gun slowly watching what happens when the bullet feeds  into the chamber. If the bullet isn't feeding in straight, only full metal jacket will work.

      Some people have short memories

      by lenzy1000 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 04:16:06 PM PST

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      •  I took some frangibles to the range and tried it (0+ / 0-)

        myself.  Seemed to be OK--no jams in the four mags I shot through it.

        The problem isn't with the magazine or spring, it's with the feed ramp, and it's a problem that only happens with the InterArms version of the PPK made in the US about 20 years ago under license.  For some oddball reason, InterArms put a little ridge across the feeding ramp, which isn't there in any of the other versions of the PPK. On a round-nose FMJ, it's no problem, but with any flat-nosed round, like a hollow-point, it's common for the flat edge to get caught on that little ridge, and jam. Even some jacketed bullets with slightly flattened noses, jam too.

        I used the frangible rounds with the little blue ball in the nose, and they seem to work OK.

        For ordinary target shooting I use round-nose FMJs. They work fine.

        •  Have you concidered polishing the ramp? (0+ / 0-)

          If I ever wanted to do anything with my SIG P6 other than punch paper, I would buy 100 rounds of my choice defense ammunition and confirmed that it feed and fired reliably before trusting my life to it.  It also would get a feed ramp polish if needed.  

          Under capitalism man exploits man, under communism the roles are reversed.

          by DavidMS on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 05:11:59 PM PST

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    •  It depends where... (1+ / 0-)
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      Some gun forums are better than others.  I have serious problems with how many of them are moderated (or lack thereof).  Which forum?

      Under capitalism man exploits man, under communism the roles are reversed.

      by DavidMS on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 05:08:32 PM PST

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