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  •  Is it a crime to attempt (5+ / 0-)

    to purchase a gun and fail or does a convicted felon actually have to possess a weapon to be charged?

    At any rate - if there are tens of thousands of felons failing background checks and being prevented from purchasing guns I'd say the system is working as it should.

    Now if it were only impossible for them to purchase guns without those background checks...

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy... the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

    by lcbo on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 03:48:54 PM PST

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    •  It is against the law to answer no to the felon (4+ / 0-)

      question on a background check and give it to someone in hopes of passing it and buying a weapon.  Yes, it is illegal.

      No one would process a background check, if the buyer answered "yes" and the seller would promptly hand it back and tell the customer "You can't own a weapon".  

      So apparently to fail the background check, they had to lie to lie answering "no"....that is a crime, for lying.

      Yet, no one bothers to prosecutes them.

      Fail... on so many levels.....enforce the current laws, before we make a lot of new ones that won't work anyway.

    •  My understanding of the concern... (1+ / 0-)
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      Icbo, I may be wrong, but I think roundhead is saying that the NRA thinks thousands of felons have failed their background checks, but gotten the guns anyway, but not been prosecuted for it.

      I don't think a person should be prosecuted applying to buy a gun, failing the background check, and then walking away without the gun.

      •  No, that wasn't what I was asking (1+ / 0-)
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        I have been seeing conservatives today literally saying that the current laws are not being enforced, and giving the failing of background checks but no prosecution as an example.  I don't think they are claiming these criminals are getting guns, but that these current laws are not being enforced because there is no prosecution for the attempt.

        •  From everything I see, the NRA has actively (0+ / 0-)

          worked to keep enforcement of current laws from being effective, for the same reasons they oppose any current registration & background check regulations or legislation.

          Not allowing reporting or research & the data collected from purchase applications isn't kept or shared as it should be.

          They set up the whole system to support the unaccountable ownership of guns & that's the public safety issue that needs to be fixed.

          Something that doesn't make good sense, makes bad sense. That means someone is being deliberately hurtful & selfish. Look for motives behind actions & words.

          by CA wildwoman on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 01:41:23 PM PST

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    •  It is illegal (1+ / 0-)
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      for felons to apply for a gun.

    •  Yes. (2+ / 0-)
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      ancblu, CA wildwoman

      Take a look at the 4473 form and read the law.  It is a felony to make false statements on this form.  It is a felony to purchase or posses a gun if you are convicted of a felony, subject to a restraining order, involuntarily hospitalized for psychiatric treatment or convicted of any domestic violence crimes.  

      Someone could purchase a gun in a private party sale so long as the seller had no suspicion that the buyer was a prohibited person.  

      Under capitalism man exploits man, under communism the roles are reversed.

      by DavidMS on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 05:05:45 PM PST

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      •  Ok good to know, but... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...it still doesn't answer why people are not being prosecuted.  Is it considered too small fry to chase?  Is the requirement to destroy the background check paperwork making it impossible?

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