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  •  Actually I do agree with you (1+ / 0-)
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    happy camper

    I agree that a machete violence problem would be dealt with quickly.  Because when a person kills with a gun, everyone blames the gun.  When a person kills with a blade, everyone blames the individual.

    If we did have 10,000 people killing with machetes, (and we probably would after a gun ban) then everyone would be forced to sit up and take notice of the mental health problems, and would stop blaming the weapon used.

    Becauese I don't believe for one second that all those murderers were just sitting around thinking happy thoughts until they touched a gun and were driven insane by an inanimate object.  Those people made a consious decision to kill, to take a life.  And once that decision is made, they find a way.

    The psycho who killed my great aunt didn't have free and easy access to guns.  But contrary to all the "logic" being passed around here, she's still dead. The longer we insist that guns are the root cause of the violence problem, the longer we ignore the real problem.

    If you focus on mental health, you address all violence.  If you focus on guns you will never address the disease.

    •  It's not so much about addressing the disease (5+ / 0-)
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      ... as it is about limiting the damage that high-tech death instruments can cause.

      Evolution IS Intelligent Design!

      by msirt on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 12:21:59 PM PST

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    •  Probably Harder To Find A Good Machete Than A Gun (0+ / 0-)

      Seriously, the flimsy shite they sell these days.


      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 01:25:55 PM PST

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    •  I stopped reading when you said we'd have (3+ / 0-)
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      10,000 machette related deaths if we banned guns.  If you really think that machettes are as leathal as guns then why not advocate that the military stop buying M-16s, outfit all soldiers with machettes and pump the savings into infrastructure?  

      The answer to that is - obviously - because your machette argument is a complete red herring and caries no persuasive merit.    

      "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

      by The Rational Hatter on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 01:58:34 PM PST

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      •  Me vs. Crazy man with machete (4+ / 0-)

        Me vs. Crazy man with AR-15 holding 30 loads?

        I'll take my chances with Machete Man.


        by rightiswrong on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 03:05:40 PM PST

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      •  Most gun deaths are not at long range (1+ / 0-)
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        happy camper

        If 90% of the gun homicides in this country were from shots fired from 500 yards, you would have a point.  Most deadly gun shots are fired from close range, by a person who knew the victim.

        At close range a machete or any blade certainly is as deadly as a gun, unless you're saying my great aunt isn't actually dead.

        Go ahead and stop reading.  Stop trying to ban guns to and go address the real problem of mental illness.  But I don't think you're actually intereted in ending random violence or gang violence.  I think you're just grandstanding.

        •  /yawn. NRA talking points aside... (0+ / 0-)

          I don't base my opinions on random strangers' dead aunt stories (and for the record I also think that your aunt is fabricated but I can't prove that any more than you can prove she's real).  But I do agree that banning "assault" rifles is stupid.  We should ban firearms. Period. I know that wouldn't pass constitutional muster but it's what would happen in perfect world.

          The fact is that there is no epidemic of blade related homocides in the US.  There is an epidemic of gun related homocides and that is why they will wind up being regulated in some manner whether you like it or not.

          You are comparing apples to oranges and it's not convincing anyone.  

          "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

          by The Rational Hatter on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 04:36:12 PM PST

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