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  •  Do you think national standards are even (2+ / 0-)
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    Roadbed Guy, Orinoco

    possible?

    So much of this is about access...to resources, to other people who care about education, to families whose primary commitment is their kids, to school buildings that aren't run-down and grim, etc. etc.

    I'm ok with national standards as general metrics for data collection--but they're awful evaluators of, say, teaching quality, educational potential, etc.

    •  Yes, national standards are ridiculous (4+ / 0-)
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      Tristero 312, kmoore61, bevenro, Orinoco

      leading to widespread cheating on tests (by the school administrators, not the students!!) in addition to all the other problems documented in this diary and its comments.

      The bottom line is that American schools do OK (w/ or w/o "standards") in affluent areas and suffer badly in impoverished locales.  None of this will change with massive testing.

      •  Even in the worst schools (1+ / 0-)
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        FG

        you will find individual students and individual classes that are head and shoulders above the norm. The difference between affluent areas and impoverished areas is the percentage of those students and classes out of the whole.

        "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

        by Orinoco on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 11:42:05 AM PST

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    •  I'm generally torn (1+ / 0-)
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      bevenro

      Between allowing local schools a ton of autonomy vs insuring that they are receiving a proper education. If a school district wants to teach a 6000 yr old earth theory, I lean in the direction of national standards, but in terms in allowing schools freedom to innovate in their teaching methods, I lean towards giving them that autonomy.

      That said, the over-riding question is "Is it working?"

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