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  •  LBJ was forced into it by Republicans (2+ / 0-)
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    He knew if Vietnam fell on his watch, Republicans would freak out and begin a new wave of McCarthyism/hysteria - and probably win.  So he was doing his best to appease by pursuing assistance to Vietnam.

    Once in, the military-industrial complex pushed and made it clear escalation was his only way to avoid an electoral disaster.  

    The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. --George Orwell

    by jgkojak on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 08:16:03 AM PST

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    •  Something happened to the psyche of the US (1+ / 0-)
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      after Pearl Harbor.  The United States had a small, modest military before that and was largely averse to getting involved in foreign wars (WW1 and the Spanish-American war notwithstanding).

      The entire country was mobilized for WW2 and never really let itself go after that.

      To dismantle the MIC right now would likely have averse economic consequences because many people rely on the military as a source of employment.  So I understand that aspect of the MIC, and the influence it exerts.

      The MIC was a factor in Vietnam, but I was trying to answer the poster's question why it seemed that LBJ got involved in a quagmire with all those stupid decisions.  Hindsight is 20/20, and while the surge worked in Iraq, it didn't work quite as well as in Vietnam.

    •  LBJ ran as a peace candidate (4+ / 0-)
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      against war hawk, Barry Goldwater, and then sold us out to the war industry by escalating the war in Vietnam dramatically in 1965. Hence the famous chant: "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?"

      Anyone still thinking that wanting to own a gun is normal? Wanting to own a gun is an immediate indicator that you should be the last person to have one.

      by pollbuster on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 08:55:24 AM PST

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    •  It was also to cover his flank on "The Great (0+ / 0-)

      Society" ag Southern conservative Dems -- not exactly a quid pro for their support of, or failure to oppose, his social programs.  Just another reason I despise Blue Dogs.  

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