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  •  Hey MB, do you have a stance on DiFi's AWB? (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm curious.

    Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

    by KVoimakas on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 12:46:38 PM PST

    •  Hey, can we stick to the topic of the diary? (6+ / 0-)

      For once?

      Thank you!

      Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.

      by earicicle on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 12:52:12 PM PST

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    •  Hey KV (5+ / 0-)

      do you have a stand on any of the following: gun registration, background checks, limits to magazine capacities, compulsory training, the right someone has not to face extrajudicial execution etc.
      I'm curious.

      •  Yep. I'll answer the firearm related ones. (0+ / 0-)

        Since they are at least tangentially related to the diary.

        Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

        by KVoimakas on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 01:03:59 PM PST

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      •  In order: (1+ / 0-)
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        no,
        yes for dealer sales (and we need better reporting to nics),
        no,
        yes; in primary school and secondary school for everyone.

        Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

        by KVoimakas on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 01:12:11 PM PST

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        •  What about background checks on private sales? nt (4+ / 0-)

          I agree with President Obama, our country's journey is not yet complete. We must continue the work that our forebearers at Seneca Falls started, and put the Equal Rights Amendment into our Constitution.

          by pistolSO on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 01:25:48 PM PST

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        •  How are you going to compel children (3+ / 0-)
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          to use and fire guns?

          There are millions of Americans who do not believe in the use of guns.  Do those people get a say in their children's education with firearms?

          Are you suggesting yet another nationwide program that will cost billions of dollars and require untold amounts of security as a solution to simply training and certifying people who chose to buy guns?

          Are you suggesting that if you fail to take a course in school, you should be barred from ever owning a gun?

          Take back the House in 2014!!!! ( 50-state strategy needed)

          by mungley on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 02:44:36 PM PST

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          •  We do it with driver's ed. (2+ / 0-)
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            Or did, until school budgets got slashed.

            And what Kyle is talking about isn't necessairly live-fire training.

            Simple safety training, age-appropriate, (elementary school = "don't touch, run away, tell a grown-up", maybe high school gets "here are non-firing replicas of some common firearms, here's how they work, here's how you make sure they're unloaded") would probably save more lives than every safe storage law on the books ever has.

            The simple fact that removing the magazine from a semi-automatic firearm doesn't ensure that it's unloaded has killed a lot of people who didn't know it or what to do about it.

            We could do the same thing for a lot of potentially lethal common devices, at minimal cost in dollars or time. Power tools, household chemicals, electricity and swimming pools come quickly to mind.

             We should.

            --Shannon

            "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
            "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

            by Leftie Gunner on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 09:57:04 PM PST

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            •  Interesting. (0+ / 0-)

              Two biggest issues there would be:
              1. There is no funding. We don't even teach drivers ed anymore. (As you mentioned)
              2. The NRA would hate that.  They are opposed to tracking health issues related to guns. They won't want to teach children that guns need to be treated with respect like any dangerous weapon.

              Having thought about your comment some; most schools could easily incorporate a gun awareness/safety class into their health class for high school.
              Parents could opt out like for Sex ed.

              This plus universal background checks for all gun sales regardless of venue might lead to a safer society.

              (And maybe tier licensing for more powerful arms  - like we have for big rigs and motorcycles)

              Thanks.

              Take back the House in 2014!!!! ( 50-state strategy needed)

              by mungley on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 12:49:43 PM PST

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              •  Most states (none, that I know of) don't have (1+ / 0-)
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                tiered licensing for motorcycles.

                One is either licensed to ride a motorcycle, or not. Riding one not on public highways requires no license at all... one can ride off-road without a motorcycle endorsement in every state I know of. So, not a great comparison.

                As far as universal background checks goes, it's something I could maybe support if:

                1) Such checks did not require a trip to an FFL who will charge for the check. I should be able to do it in my garage, with a smartphone or laptop, not have to go somewhere special and pay a fee to dispose of my own property.

                and

                2) There were severe criminal and civil penalties, backed up with actual investigation of complaints and an ability for people to see if checks have been done on them, for using the NICS system for any purpose other than selling a firearm. I really, really don't want to see the NICS system converted into a free-of-charge, untraceable, tax-funded background check system for every employer in the country. Make it very difficult to misuse, very easy to detect misuse, and make punishing those who do so very easy, and I'll probably get on board.

                --Shannon

                "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
                "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

                by Leftie Gunner on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 08:35:23 PM PST

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                •  Clarification: You restated what I meant. (0+ / 0-)

                  There are tiers for motor vehicle licenses.

                  Cars get a simple license. (This would be equivalent to a hunting rifle or revolver.)

                  Motorcycles need a special separate license to operate on the highway. (This would be for whatever the next level of arm requires more knowledge and public trust to handle 'safely'.)

                  Big rigs require a another separate license with more scrutiny due to the nature of the vehicle. (This would be for assault rifles.)

                  My categorization of weapon types is purely for the purpose of explanation.  I would not choose me to draw the distinctions.

                  Peace.

                  Take back the House in 2014!!!! ( 50-state strategy needed)

                  by mungley on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 11:49:32 PM PST

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                  •  OK... I thught you meant that (0+ / 0-)

                    motorcycle licenses were tiered, as they are in the UK and many other countries, such that one's first license limits you to, say, a 250cc bike, and increments upward from there based on time and/or additional tests.

                    As far as the rght to arms goes, licensing for public use, IE, CCW permits, is as far as I'm willing to go. In that cotext, driver's licenses have features I agree with... they're shall-issue, only revocable by a court, good aywhere i the cotry, and (at lest in Califonia) renewable by mail.
                    Licensing for ownership turns a right into a privilige... no.

                    --Shannon

                    "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
                    "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

                    by Leftie Gunner on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 08:00:32 AM PST

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          •  What LG said. nt (1+ / 0-)
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            Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

            by KVoimakas on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 06:42:09 AM PST

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