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  •  I don't get it (0+ / 0-)

    I vote Republican and can't understand why this is a problem.  I do understand the whole rule of law thing and all that as a reason for vilifying people who come here illegally... But even then, in a perfect world we'd welcome anyone who wanted to come here to work and/or to be a productive member of society...

    I guess personally I'd be more than happy with a compromise where we grant some kind of mass citizenship, but put some kind of limitation on it like saying you're now a legal citizen, but for x number of years until you can prove you're a productive member of our society, you're not eligible for a, b, and c of these government assistance programs, and then if they still want to stay, great!  Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we could all find common ground in agreeing that we want to remain a place where anyone who wants to come here to work and do right by the country should be welcome to, but if the reason for coming here is because a life heavily subsidized by the government here is nicer than a life heavily subsidized by the government where they're from, I'd say no thanks.  

    I guess the other reason some Republicans may be so against this is because of the voting disparity among Hispanics is not favorable to Republicans (I realize not all illegal immigrants are Hispanics, but for the purposes of the political discussion that's mainly what everyone is talking about)... But even then, I personally think the message of limited government and limited taxation can be a winning one if articulated properly... Just seems like laziness on the part of the Republican party to want to shut out some people rather than do a better job of getting their message out there...

    •  The 14th amendment says you (1+ / 0-)
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      can't have different tiers of citizenship. But beyond that the suggestion that immigrants need to prove they're hard working makes me wonder, have you met or even observed a worker from Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala or China, Thailand or Vietnam?  Anyone who has would know that as a rule immigrants, put in long days of work, frequently the kind that makes you bone weary, with low pay, sometimes not even the minimum wage. If you're looking for the work ethic go see who's doing the gardening, washing the dishes in the restaurant kitchens, taking care of children.

    •  um, perhaps you are not aware . . . . (1+ / 0-)
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      Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we could all find common ground in agreeing that we want to remain a place where anyone who wants to come here to work and do right by the country should be welcome to, but if the reason for coming here is because a life heavily subsidized by the government here is nicer than a life heavily subsidized by the government where they're from, I'd say no thanks.  
      that they are already here, now, working--and they get zero government subsidies or welfare or whatever else it is you pee your pants over.

      Zip.  Zero.  Zilch.  None.  Nada. Not a dime.

      Why are you goppers too goddamn stupid to understand that illegal immigrants CANNOT GET ANY GOVERNMENT "WELFARE" ???

      So despite all your terror, the scary brown people are not getting all your money.  Take a deep breath and relax.

      Geez.

      •  Even if that's the case (0+ / 0-)

        what I'm arguing against is for people to come to the country simply so the can get on the state or federal government's dole... A lot of the illegal aliens are doing work that requires very unskilled labor... We don't need people coming to the country who are going to leech off of it... I'm more than happy to have people come to the country who can support themselves, but we've got enough legal citizens who already require so much help that unnecessarily granting legal status to a broad range of people who would immediately be eligible for all kinds of benefits which would put further strain on a system already in rough shape.

        •  you are arguing nonsense (0+ / 0-)

          Racist redneck nonsense.

          So please shut up.

          •  lol (0+ / 0-)

            come on now... how is it racism? being interested in having productive people join our country and preferring that we try to take care of the huge amount of people who are already citizens and require help before we try to take care of everyone else in the world makes me racist?

            You're trying to pin the racism tag on me simply because I was up front about voting Republican and it isn't going to work...

            I don't care where anyone comes from or the color of their skin, but if they're coming here simply so that we can take care of them when we've already got plenty of people who aren't getting the care they need, I have problems...

            •  you have problems, alright (0+ / 0-)

              The brown people are not taking your money.  So stop holding your breath.

              Idiot.

              •  You've (0+ / 0-)

                revealed yourself to be someone who upon realizing that the person you're posting disagrees with you and has to resort to the same tired stereotypes that your particular party likes to go to when they've run out of ideas...

                I did not make any personal remarks against you and was trying to share ideas, yet you immediately call me "goddamned stupid" a "racist redneck" and claim that I have problems because brown people are somehow going to take my money...

                Congratulations, you're the biggest failard I've met on the internet today!

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