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  •  They can't even get (1+ / 0-)
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    51 votes in the Senate for the AWB.

    •  I know, you have the power now, but (0+ / 0-)

      something like this has happened before. It was called the slave power, and for a long time it worked, but eventually it was obliterated. So it will be with guns. Civilian ownership of guns will go the way of slavery, it will be cast out of our democracy and thrown upon the dung heap of history.

      Things are changing for the better, get used to it.

      Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning. -- Clarence Day

      by hestal on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 07:16:11 AM PST

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      •  Haven't you gotten the memo yet? (1+ / 0-)
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        Your expectations have already been lowered by Democratic leadership. Perhaps you should catch up.

        It looks like we'll get expanded background checks and armed guards in schools. That's about it.

      •  Eliminating slavery was an expansion of liberty (2+ / 0-)
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        AWB is a contraction of liberty.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 08:25:23 AM PST

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      •  hestal - not in your lifetime (1+ / 0-)
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        Civilian ownership of guns may be restricted, but will be legal for another 100 years.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 10:17:09 AM PST

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        •  You guys are so easy. You just break out (0+ / 0-)

          in a cold sweat whenever you think about your precious guns. 100 years, indeed.What bravado. You are so eager to preserve an amendment that has long outlived any useful purpose without regard to the deaths it has caused for innocents. It is very disturbing to see people who have so little disregard for the lives of others. You should be ashamed of yourself. But, as I said earlier, slavery was very much like the second amendment. Those who love guns would probably have loved being slave masters. The thrill of inducing fear in the hearts of others is more than an addiction, it is a shame and a disgrace.

          Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning. -- Clarence Day

          by hestal on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 08:28:41 PM PST

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          •  hestal - "my precious guns" (0+ / 0-)

            I have never owned a gun and have no plans to own one in the future. But I am a political junkie and understand that gun owners are the largest single issue voting block in the US, and that's not going to change for a very long time. There is a reason that politicians who favor even modest changes in gun control laws go out of their way to state with clarity that they support the right of individuals to own guns. A recent case in point was our President in his remarks on potential new gun control legislation.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 09:14:55 PM PST

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            •  Typical. You uttered not a single word (0+ / 0-)

              about the deaths of innocents. Why do you and others of your ilk steer away from acknowledging that the second amendment is nothing but permission to murder?

              Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning. -- Clarence Day

              by hestal on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 03:12:21 AM PST

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              •  Maybe because it is not permission to murder (1+ / 0-)
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                We have laws and harsh penalties against murder, hardly "permission".  Even for those of us who would like to improve the gun control laws acknowledging and understanding the political realities of gun ownership is an important element in gaining whatever legislative remedies are possible in this session of Congress.

                "let's talk about that"

                by VClib on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 07:21:56 AM PST

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                •  Still denying responsibility. Sad... (0+ / 0-)

                  Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning. -- Clarence Day

                  by hestal on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 08:09:56 AM PST

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                  •  hestal - I am in no way responsible for the acts (1+ / 0-)
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                    of others particularly people who commit murder. You can continue to be sad on my behalf, but your sadness has no effect on me. Adults make choices, some are horrific, but I am not putting anyone in danger and feel no responsibility for the act of others.

                    "let's talk about that"

                    by VClib on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 10:43:51 AM PST

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                    •  You don't have to remind me. You have (0+ / 0-)

                      made it very clear that you are irresponsible.

                      Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning. -- Clarence Day

                      by hestal on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 11:08:38 AM PST

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              •  Advocating no private guns is counterproductive (0+ / 0-)

                When one side overreaches it get less than it could otherwise.

                Those advocating highly restricted rights to own guns will not only not get what they advocate, they will also prevent important reforms.

                When anti-gun advocates call for no or little gun rights, the pro-gun forces are helped in their opposition to licensing of gun owners or gun registration, as they argue these measures are just a precursor to confiscation.

                The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

                by nextstep on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 08:29:43 AM PST

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                •  "When one side overreaches" I (0+ / 0-)

                  wonder which side that is?

                  Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning. -- Clarence Day

                  by hestal on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 11:07:26 AM PST

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