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  •  The question of how democracies handle (0+ / 0-)

    anti-democratic impulses in their electorates and even in their governments is not a new one.  

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 12:53:29 PM PST

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    •  Islam (0+ / 0-)

      There have not been many instances of true democracies in Islamic countries-- and our view of democracy is not necessarily an Islamic one-- even Turkey has been becoming somewhat religiously governed.

      Apres Bush, le deluge.

      by melvynny on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 01:26:01 PM PST

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      •  I don't think you need to single out Islam (0+ / 0-)

        when thinking about this question, non-Islamic states haven't always handled this particular question all that well, when crises have erupted.

        See Alexander Kerensky or Friedrich Ebert.  

        That's one of the always present paradoxes of actually existing democracies, if carried to the full limit they would/could contain the seeds of their own destruction within them.   If the people desire a dictatorship, is it democratic to deny them one?

        And thus uses to which the mechanisms of democracy can be brought to bear to bring forth non-democratic outcomes is long-standing part of the history of democracy.  There's really no need to turn to these kinds of badly couched ethnic/religious arguments or the kind of arm chair anthropology that Western/European philosophers and statesmen like to toss around as "explanations" for Western/European hegemony in matters political, economic or military.

        Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

        by a gilas girl on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 02:18:35 PM PST

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        •  except (0+ / 0-)

          This is a time of religious fervor -- and a time of very unequal asset distribution-- both tend to un- democratize nations.   Rarely do the rich--or the church-- stay out of power.  

          Apres Bush, le deluge.

          by melvynny on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 03:45:14 PM PST

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          •  Again... (0+ / 0-)

            the examples of other times when democracy is faced with this were also times of very unequal asset distribution and in at least one case, also took place in a time where religious "fervor" also played an important and an autocratic role...

            so, signalling out one particular religion when this is a characteristic that happens in democracies of all religions and those with none just seems to be a bit too convenient a piece of logic, when the explanation for the phenomenon is likely far more complex

            is the point I was trying to make.

            Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

            by a gilas girl on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 06:45:19 PM PST

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    •  to wit: the tea party (0+ / 0-)

      WE must hang together or we will all hang separately. B.Franklin

      by ruthhmiller on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 03:29:16 PM PST

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