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  •  So what changed, marykk? What changed? (2+ / 0-)
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    There was a time, not so many decades ago, that kids in those communities would have guns in their cars and hunt after school; and even I would not have thought twice about it. Of course they were long guns and could not be concealed easily.
    The availability of cheap pistols.  

    Many hands make light work, but light hearts make heavy work the lightest of all.

    by SpamNunn on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:35:37 AM PST

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    •  Partly that (1+ / 0-)
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      but there has to be more to it.  Because I wouldn't trust a kid with a long gun, either.  Although our neighbors in Canada have them and don't run around blasting each other away.

      If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

      by marykk on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:39:15 AM PST

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    •  What changed is the constant fearmongering (1+ / 0-)
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      from AM hate radio and Hoax Noise.  You just know that Matt Lanza's "prepper" mother was a Glen Beck fan.  The guy who shot those 3 Pennsylvania troopers had books by Hannity and Bernard Goldberg in his car (one of them titled "The 100 People who are Screwing Up America").

      As for the Chicago reasons,  the decimation of the industrial base on the south and west sides left thousands of people without any chance of getting any job what-so-ever, so drug traffic and prostitution is filling the void.   The drug trade was largely ignored as long as it stayed a "black thing" but when rich white suburban kids started driving into the city as far as the first few exits to buy crack and now heroine suddenly the call went out to save the (white) children!!  This prompted several  previous police chiefs to use the old axiom "you kill the snake by cutting off its head", so they arrested most of the old guard gang leaders, leaving a leadership vacuum which the young turks exploited by spreading their own gangs into other gangs' territories, thus starting a whole new round of turf wars.

      The ONLY answer is JOBS in those jobless areas.

      •  Wow. (0+ / 0-)

        Many hands make light work, but light hearts make heavy work the lightest of all.

        by SpamNunn on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 02:01:25 PM PST

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        •  I could use some heroine. (0+ / 0-)

          Many hands make light work, but light hearts make heavy work the lightest of all.

          by SpamNunn on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 02:02:06 PM PST

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          •  Yeah, "wow". It was never a problem until (1+ / 0-)
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            the rich white kids from the wealthy suburbs  started traveling the heroin highway.

            http://www.youtube.com/...

            •  They sell plenty of "H" to poor black brothers. (0+ / 0-)

              To blame black on black gun crime on only the white drug customers is just silly.  

              Many hands make light work, but light hearts make heavy work the lightest of all.

              by SpamNunn on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 03:28:37 PM PST

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              •  I didn't, you are projecting (0+ / 0-)

                What I said was the black on black crime spike happened AFTER the cops finally decided to do something about the open air drug markets AFTER the rich white kids started dying.  So they took all the older gang leaders off the streets.  They were the ones who kept the gang wars at bay.  They had defined turfs and some kind of "law of the streets".    The young gangbangers  started jockeying for supremacy and split their own gangs up into factions which started to mow each other down, and some factions spread  out into other gang's areas.  This is what started the all out gang warfare that has been happening for the last year or so.

                The previous top cop even took a page from Hill Street Blues and ordered ALL of the gang leaders to a secret meeting at a neutral site to tell them to stop the killing OR ELSE.  The truce lasted only a few months.

                http://www.cbsnews.com/...

                Pay attention next time.

              •  I didn't, you are projecting. And ignoring. (1+ / 0-)
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                I pointed out the absolute lack of jobs in those areas, and also gave a time line of WHEN the whole thing fell apart and why.  The powers that be didn't care about black drug usage as long as it stayed in the hood.  When rich white kids from the burbs started dying is when the crack down started.  When all the older gang leaders were in power they abided by a kind "code of the streets", where certain gangs controlled certain turfs.  

                When the older gang leaders were rounded up and shipped to prison the power vacuum caused the young turks to jockey for power, causing rifts within their own gangs, which in turn created inter gang violence.  Some gangs fractured into different sects, so to speak. and some tried to muscle into other gangs' turf.

                That is what started the all out gang warfare that has been happening for the last year and a half or so.

                Former Police Supt Weiss even took a page from "Hill Street Blues" and ORDERED a gang summit at a neutral site to warn them to knock it off with all the killing, OR ELSE! (RICO charges.)

                The gangbangers didn't like that and whined all the way to a complicit press.

                http://www.cbsnews.com/...

                The truce lasted only a few months, until some young turk tried to move into a rival's territory.  Then, as now, all hell broke loose.  Bang bang.

                Pay attention next time.

                As I said, JOBS is the answer.

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