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  •  Funny thing is, here in PA... (2+ / 0-)
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    city dwellers like me often see ourselves at the wrong end of the same problem. It is certainly much easier to buy a gun in PA, but even here it's not so easy to get a concealed carry permit, for instance. Yet we have plenty of people running around the state who have such permits from other states, including a fair number who were denied permits here (and PA is a "shall issue" state, meaning it's not exactly difficult to get one.) Florida is notorious for this, since a PA resident can get one there without even the background checking we do and then enjoy full reciprocity that allows them to concealed carry back in PA.

    It's not just gun sales that cause problems across city and state borders, it's all manner of gun laws, even the most reasonable and practical ones that are designed simply to keep guns out of the hands of people who are demonstrably a public danger if they get one.

    Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory, tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat. Sun Tzu The Art of War

    by Stwriley on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:10:08 AM PST

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    •  Depends on the county (1+ / 0-)
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      Where in PA do you live? In Berks County is takes about 20 minutes to get a CC permit. Walk up, fill out the form, pay the money, wait for the background check, get your photo taken, and be on your way.

      Other counties require more paperwork but it isn't like Berks is out in the boondocks.

      In much of PA a person can go from being a non-gun owner to purchasing a gun and getting a concealed carry permit in 2-3 hours.

      PA, for a northeastern state, as very open gun laws.

      •  Philadelphia (1+ / 0-)
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        Which helps explain my own attitude in regards to the easy access to guns; we have a gun problem too, just not quite as bad as Chicago. My point was that, easy as it is in PA, even we have problems with the cross-border transfer of guns and the attempt to regulate even something as serious as concealed carry permits. I'm not saying we're a bastion of strict gun control (far from it), just that these problems are even more widespread than what residents of Chicago or NYC might think.

        Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory, tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat. Sun Tzu The Art of War

        by Stwriley on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:40:34 AM PST

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        •  Oh, sure (1+ / 0-)
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          But PA is where people go to buy guns and not be bothered. Far easier than neighboring states. With Philly, people drive out to Cabela's on 78/61. People from Jersey, as well.

          It certainly is an issue but I think it's one that will be around for a long time. If residents of other areas are staunchly pro-gun then I think we need to focus on things that we can change.

          That's not to say I'm against legislation that would make it harder for someone to become a defacto gun runner.

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