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  •  Probably the best (24+ / 0-)

    Probably the best response to "guns don't kill people.  People kill people" is the following:  So would a monkey with a gun.  

    It's the availability of guns that is the problem.  

    And, no, the Second Amendment is not sacred as to restrictions.  We have restrictions on the First Amendment.  We most definitely have restrictions on the Fourth Amendment.  The idea that no one can tamper with the real/fantasized intent of the Second Amendment is BS.  

    •  Guns always shoot, (7+ / 0-)

      people always fuck up.

      guns are fun v. hey buddy, watch what you are doing -- which side are you on?

      by 88kathy on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 08:35:55 AM PST

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    •  Although... (0+ / 0-)

      ...the Fourth Amendment in its very text specifically recognizes that the Federal government is only barred from unreasonable searches [emphasis added]:

      The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
      I.e., the Founders recognized that the Fourth Amendment represented a qualified right and left it up to interpretation on what "unreasonable" might mean.

      However the Second Amendment uses very absolute and unequivocal language in the part about the "extent" of the right (ignoring debates about militias etc for the moment) [emphasis added]:

      A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
    •  I've gotten to thinking lately that before a (0+ / 0-)

      perspective buyer can be allowed the gun of their desire that they have to wait for a full FBI background check, screw that criminal background check, what's the difference between someone with a record and someone without one? Hint- one hasn't gotten caught- yet...
         My wife had to go through the whole spiel of the FBI when she became a cop, polygraph, checking friends, neighbors, ex employers, ex's, ect. Bet 95% of those who qualify for one now wouldn't if their neighbors, friends, and family gave their two cents worth in an investigation to their worthiness to be trusted with such a responsibility as gun ownership/carrying one.
          It was weird who all they talked to in investigating her, it went far beyond simply checking to see if she had a criminal background. And you have no idea of who they'll talk to, a few were people you'd never thought of.
         I think insurance should be mandatory, period.
         A nice flat tax of $1,000 per year for each non hunting weapon would be nice as well. Wanna stick armed guards at every school? Guns caused that, make guns pay for it, 100% of it

      Be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

      by teabaggerssuckbalz on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 06:57:49 PM PST

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