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  •  Good diary, but you're wrong about one (5+ / 0-)

    thing, Horace.  Wolves will occasionally kill livestock.  Cattle, sheep and that are slower and, quite frankly, dumber than deer and elk.  Once wolves find that out ranchers have a problem on their hands.

    I even heard a nearby farmer's wife tell of watching a wolf pack kill her neighbors' lab puppy.  The puppy didn't suffer but she was still wondered whether or not she had the courage to tell them.

    Note--I'm not endorsing wolf hunts.  There are things ranchers can do to protect their livestock.  One option is to have a certain breed of working dogs that identify with their sheep.  These dogs raise serious hell whenever they smell a wolf and the wolves decide to hunt elsewhere.

    Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a good carpenter to build one.--Sam Rayburn

    by Ice Blue on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 04:56:49 PM PST

    •  I said they avoid humans. (3+ / 0-)
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      Not that they never interact.

      Just that their instinct is too keep out of our range as much as they want us to stay out of theirs.

      "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

      by Horace Boothroyd III on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 05:29:56 PM PST

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    •  No serious person disputes some loss... (6+ / 0-)

      ...of domestic livestock to predators. I question just how much the loss is given the relatively small the wolf population. Government compensation for documented losses of livestock would be my gut (and admittedly uninformed) preference.

      Wolves hunt to eat, not to "rack up a high body count." No matter how "slow and dumb" a domestic animal may be, feasting on an already dead carcass is the path of lesser resistance for most every predator.

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 06:30:25 PM PST

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      •  Young wolves may hunt to kill (1+ / 0-)
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        Perversely, the hunting of wolves reduces the average age of the pack and eliminates the older, less violent alpha males and females.

        Young male mammals of all types tend to be more aggressive and violent than older, more experienced, males.

        look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

        by FishOutofWater on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 07:37:25 PM PST

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      •  I can't find a link but livestock loss (5+ / 0-)

        to dogs, diseas and lightning is higher than it is for wolves in Idaho.

        f*cking assholes just want to kill wolves and use livestock and elk as the argument.

        that's why it's all bullshit and the wolven need to be re-listed.

        but we'll have to wait for an actual democratic president who appoints someone who will actually enforce the ESA for that to happen.

        I'm trying to remember if James Watts was any worse than Salazar.

        big badda boom : GRB 090423

        by squarewheel on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 09:39:28 PM PST

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      •  IIRC, the government already does compensate (0+ / 0-)

        ranchers but they've got to be able to prove to an official there was a kill such as showing him a half eaten carcass.  A 150 lb wolf has no trouble dragging off a thirty pound lamb.  

        Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a good carpenter to build one.--Sam Rayburn

        by Ice Blue on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 06:31:58 AM PST

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