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  •  What about what THEY want? (1+ / 0-)
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    Like, to be left alone and not killed? Why are our wants more important than theirs? And how is killing an apex species in large numbers good and sound environmental policy? You'd think the smarter the species, the more we'd want to protect it, for all sorts of reasons.

    And comparing them to dogs was about appealing to our humanity, since we love dogs and only the creepiest of creeps would want to hunt them.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 06:34:00 AM PST

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    •  actually humans are the apex predator (0+ / 0-)

      and of all the predators only humans can carefully manage their own predation such that we preserve healthy populations of all species. If we were normal predators we'd wipe out all other predators, it's a natural thing to do.

      Humans in the US often attach themselves to dogs as if the dogs were human. That's why making comparisons to wolves and other mammals is difficult. People, particularly in the US are very disconnected from the natural world.

      How big is your personal carbon footprint?

      by ban nock on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 07:04:11 AM PST

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      •  If we were normal predators (0+ / 0-)

        Then we would only kill what we needed to eat, not for "sport", or for lifestyle reasons, or to save our cash livestock, or animals we probably shouldn't be eating, at least in the quantities we do. And we're not the native apex species in this region. Even native peoples knew that and lived in balance with other, native species, apex or not. This policy is just whacked.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 07:13:44 AM PST

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        •  You should study predators sometime (0+ / 0-)

          just get a good book or wiki or something. heck watch a cat. Predators love killing things. Native Americans wiped out half or more of the large mammals.

          Before you can begin to understand the policy, first you need to understand wildlife. Not the tales told at Howling for the Heck of it, but fact based basic biology.

          How big is your personal carbon footprint?

          by ban nock on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 01:48:04 PM PST

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          •  My sister's cat used to love to kill small birds (0+ / 0-)

            so I know about that. But until advanced man came along, things more or less stayed in balance. For all their efforts, cats haven't killed off sparrows. Ok, so maybe native peoples wiped out the mastedon and saber tooth tiger. MAYBE. The jury's still out on that. But it was white men with rifles who nearly killed off the bison, not natives. And it's white men with rifles who now want to kill off wolves. In both cases, for really dumb reasons.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 02:18:49 PM PST

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