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  •  People have been thinking about trophic cascades (1+ / 0-)
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    and wolves ever since reintroduction. It's very hard to show further than the direct prey species. I think what you are talking about is a meso predator release or something like that. No time to look up the term. Coyote populations have rebounded in Yellowstone, they are now at pre wolf levels, supposed affects on willow, aspen, beaver, song birds, etc. have been disproven on further study, sometimes by the same scientists doing the initial study.

    How big is your personal carbon footprint?

    by ban nock on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 06:43:50 AM PST

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    •  Links please. (0+ / 0-)

      My understanding is that they were proven.  Of course without access to quality journals all one can find on the internet is someones opinion of research not the real research

      •  That's a perfect example, it never was proven (0+ / 0-)

        it was thought that it might be.

        And now we know different.

        Newspapers are a secondary source.

        http://www.sciencedirect.com/...

        If you look hard enough you can find a way around the paywall, I won't assist you on such a public forum.

        Hypotheses aren't even theories. We now have greater understanding.

        How big is your personal carbon footprint?

        by ban nock on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 01:55:05 PM PST

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        •  And that paper (0+ / 0-)

          does not prove it is not happening from what I can gather from the abstract.

            Mech is a good researcher but this is not a scientific paper, it is a critique of media and outreach presentation.   His review is of claims from websites and other media, not the scientific lit.  I think he is saying that it is more complex then the media claimed which I do not doubt.

          Thanks for the semi-link behind the Elsevier fortress, not your fault I can not read science I probably help pay for.  

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