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  •  The law allows it, period (1+ / 0-)
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    We don't need to have specific examples to address a law that violates the 4th amendment. But l'll use the Jose Padilla example. His constitutional rights were violated. And if they're willing to do it once, they can and will do it again given an NDAA law that allows it.

    •  I do not - for a second - approve of Padilla's ... (2+ / 0-)
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      Norm in Chicago, elwior

      ... treatment as a prisoner. That was the Bush administration at its worst, among a lot of worsts. And I think Bush & Co's post-torture treatment of him was cruel and unusual.

      But ... Padilla was convicted of conspiring to kill people and to fund and support terrorism. Earlier, a Federal Court of Appeals recognized that his detention as an enemy combatant was justified but held that the US did not have power to detain a citizen arrested in the US and outside a combat zone as an "enemy combatant." It was not a constitutional decision as I understand it, but one resting on lack of congressional authority to do it.

      These are arguable legal points, to be sure. I think the Patriot Act was far overreaching and I am dismayed that Congress did not oversee it during the Bush years and that the Obama administration does not propose cutting it back in significant ways.

      But we are a nation of laws. When otherwise civilized people claim it's OK to wave guns around as an answer to laws they don't like, they're just plain wrong.

      2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

      by TRPChicago on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 09:53:01 AM PST

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