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  •  Yes, thank you for the pedantic response. (2+ / 0-)
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    elwior, ZhenRen

    But you know what? Mussolini defined Fascism, not the editors of the OED -- and he defined it explicitly in terms of corporatism: l'estato corporativo. This has all been explained over and over and over and over and over and over again. The ability of the corporatists to shift public understanding away from what Fascism actually was represents one of the great PR successes of the 20th century. As an ideology of economic organization, Fascism was in a win-win situation in WWII: The allies won the war by emulating the centralized corporatism of the axis, and once the war was over, the corporatists were entirely in control.

    Meanwhile, since you're quoting the OED, perhaps you can explain, how does the OED explain the etymology of the term?

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 10:29:02 AM PST

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    •  History might help you get a more (2+ / 0-)
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      balanced view of our current status.  The monied have ALWAYS and everywhere fought to have all the power.  The media has NEVER been honest and dedicated to truth.  Corporations are relatively recent (and self-destructive) vehicles for controlling the populace, the desire to control is ancient and uniform.  

      We win when we quit playing their game and start playing our own.  Citizens United did not defeat citizens, united.  ALEC has no power if we focus on local and State elections.  We dropped the ball for several decades, now we're paying the price.  Pick up the ball!  Don't wait for some almighty power to punish the bad guys, organize the good guys and decide what you want.

      As long as we waste energy being furious about what we don't want we'll never figure out how to get what we do want.

      I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

      by I love OCD on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 03:22:54 PM PST

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      •  I'm not sure what in your comment contradicts or (0+ / 0-)

        takes issue with anything I said. I'm fully aware that corporatism is just the latest expression of the plutocratic impulse to power, self-aggrandizement, and self-indulgence at the expense of the mass of the population.

        Your point is well-made, BUT if you want to fight the power, it is my belief that the first step is to properly identify what it is you are fighting, and to speak truthfully and honestly about it. Pretending that our enemies are less horrible than they are, pretending that this is all just about normal US politics as defined by our Constitution, pretending that we can all be polite to one another when they are at war with us ... that's not a plan for success.

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 04:40:45 PM PST

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        •  My point is mostly that they're (1+ / 0-)
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          not so powerful as they think they should be.  They're pissants, chicken hawks, armchair warriors who benefit when we fear them and their money.  

          They are freaking scared right now because we beat them when they had the money, the media, and their voter ID bullshit.  We won bigger and wider than we've ever won, with splendid Progressive candidates running on liberal ideas.  

          They're revealed for who they really are, thanks to some brilliant gamesmanship from Pres. Obama and his team.  Just don't start worrying too much about our dreadful media or the cash they flash.  We're stronger, smarter, and by gosh we like ourselves!  Laughter is their kryptonite.  

          I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

          by I love OCD on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 06:08:43 PM PST

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      •  ^^^^ This - 1000x rec (0+ / 0-)

        ball in hand, fired up, ready to go.

        Go local that is...

      •  Go local economically, as well as politically nt (0+ / 0-)

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