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  •  For starters, please stop equating dictatorship (0+ / 0-)

    with police state.

    For seconds, the enthusiasm some people have for our rights and freedoms is not necessarily reality-based. People who have lived in other highly-developed western democracies find this particular variety of American self-congratulation particular tedious. Ask the average Canadian whether she "covets" American rights and freedoms. Or the average Swede. Or Parisian. Or Nederlander. You'll be right back there in blank-stare country. People from banana republics covet a phony hollywood version of our rights and freedoms, and know nothing about how those rights and freedoms compare with the rights and freedoms of citizens of other countries -- starting with, but hardly ending at, the right to see a doctor when you're sick.

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 06:38:41 PM PST

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    •  Neither the Amish nor the other group the (0+ / 0-)

      commentor mentioned are "average" in anyway.

      In a country as diverse as the US "average" doesn't mean a whole lot. Even on a smaller scale, what does "average" New Yorker mean? Go ahead if you dare to answer your own question, where does an "average" New Yorker fall on the "reality based" spectrum of appreciation for realized freedoms?

      The personal anecdote made a different point than the one you are harping on, and doesn't equate what you suppose it does. I suspect you and I might agree with much, but I find your style to be __.

      I left it blank since you seem to be good at projecting your perspective into any comment. You probably call that "reading between the lines."

      •  I'm sorry, but I was responding to something (0+ / 0-)

        very specific in your comment. If I misinterpreted the point being made by this:

        A friend who grew up in a dictatorship told me that before 9/11 people he knew wanted to live and work here, but didn't want to become US citizens. It was looked down on. Since then, they all want to become US citizens if they can; still have the most coveted set of rights and freedoms in the world.
        please clarify.

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 09:15:58 PM PST

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