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  •  It's like what they did to Occupy here! (5+ / 0-)

    human beings do not do well with unchecked power over people who can't or won't fight back. It brings out the beast in too many.

    This is one reason Israel in her own best interest needs to severe relationships with Palestinians. ie give them their own state.

    Too bad a right wing gov is in power there. Building those settlements ruins everything.

    I am so sorry for these activists. They are doing it the right way, though. If they do it like Ghandi in India lead his people...or MLK in the US South...Israel may be moved.
    It has been show throughout the history of the 20th century, repeatedly, that nonviolence gets a less powerful people freedom.

    •  For 30 years, Palestinians have engaged in (19+ / 0-)

      mass nonviolent resistance, and been murdered, beaten, tortured, and jailed in huge numbers as a result.

      The only impact that's had so far on the US or Israel is that "helpful" people keep suggesting they give nonviolent resistance a try.

      "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

      by JesseCW on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 02:32:43 AM PST

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      •  seems like the way it's reported they (1+ / 0-)
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        haven't had a coordinated movement of nonviolent protest
        such as MLK lead in the South or Ghandi lead in India. It could just be my perception as the reciever of news, or how it's being reported overall.

        I am sorry people are hurt by it helps the Palestinian cause that they were protesting nonviolently

        •  What's reported is propaganda (2+ / 0-)
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          We don't get real accurate reporting of what is going on in Israel/Palestine, so it doesn't really matter what they do.  

        •  It hasn't helped their cause. Half the West Bank (2+ / 0-)
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          has been stolen while they've protested non-violently, and the us continues to increase military aid to Israel as a reward.

          There was a violent faction in India and South Africa, too.  They were the minority there, just as they have been in Palestine since the early 1980's.

          As long as the US continues to pay for the occupation, there is no chance of non-violent resistance succeeding.  Non-violent resistance does not work by appealing to the sympathy of people who don't view you as human.

          It works by making abusing you financially unsustainable.  

          The British left India because it was costing more to occupy it than they were making by doing so.  These are the people who starved 16 million Indians to death in two years and weren't bothered - they had no morals to appeal to.

          If you watched the news in the 1970's, you'd think resistance in South Africa was nothing but "terrorism" too.

          "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

          by JesseCW on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:53:52 AM PST

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    •  No, the victims are not responsible for their (5+ / 0-)
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      In the U.S. it is the rule of law which routinely countenances the abuse of human beings behind the shield of property rights, parental rights, states' rights and the culture of obedience. Compliance is law one. "No free lunch." Those who don't obey, don't get to eat.
      That's what prompted the crack-down on Occupy. It's what made the Black Panthers a danger. If the powers that be can't use the threat of starvation to gain compliance, what alternative do they have? If the object is compliance, people can't be killed, because dead people can't comply. So, if threats aren't effective, the only other option is to provide bribes and that means work and that means authorities being turned into servants. Can't have that. That's what women and children and foreigners are for.

      But, just consider that authoritarians really have no choice. If they had practical talents with which to sustain themselves, they wouldn't have to resort to verbal threats and occasional violence to sustain themselves.
      The parable of the talents is somewhat misleading because it assumes that everyone is given some talent that makes him/her useful and worth keeping around. But, that's wrong. Some humans have no talents and have to resort to thievery or extortion.
      On the other hand, it is possible that our linguistic abilities have evolved to compensate for being practically incompetent. Begging works. Just look at Rush and Newt and the Donald -- glib talkers all.

      We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 03:20:36 AM PST

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      •  I do not think "the victims" are responsible for (1+ / 0-)
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        their abuse.

        They are trying to find a way forward.

        Black people in the US South in the 50s were not "responsible" for their abuse either

        BUT there was a coordinated effort of protest that helped their cause. I am wanting the Palestinians to have that, that is all.

        It feels no matter what I say it will be taken wrong.

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