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  •  Guantanamo *was* wrong. (7+ / 0-)

    Guantanamo is wrong.

    Guantanamo always will be wrong.

    Had Bush been "competent" in his execution of overthrowing Saddam Hussein, it would still have been an unwise, amoral, illegal, and unjustifiable use of the American military.

    It is impossible to reconcile progressive values with either Guantanamo or the invasion of Iraq, regardless of the suavity of execution.

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:52:44 AM PST

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    •  That does not speak to fisheye's point though (3+ / 0-)
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      You bring up ideal behavior when fisheye discussed actual human behavior.

      That does not make either of your right or wrong it means you are talkining about different aspects.

      •  GG is one of those who won't let go of blaming... (7+ / 0-)

        Obama for Guantanamo. When it was 90-6 of a Democratic majority Senate that made that decision; and closing Guantanamo was in fact Obama's first item on his agenda right after he took office four years ago.

        Why didn't Obama close it by executive order? Because you can't half-finish a job when it comes to criminals; and the other half of that job-- where you place the criminals after you empty Gitmo-- didn't come through because of Senators,  Congressmen and too many people not wanting to deal with it. So with all parts of the package deal not in place, the whole package is scrapped.

        I think back to how not a single Senator stood up for Al Gore back in 2000...

        But Greenwald thinks Obama should just be able to use his magical unitary executive CEO of America, whoops, I mean presidential power to get his way. He refuses to let go of the comforting Obama Guantanamo myth. And I have a hard time with people who like the myth and the narrative that much more than reality.

        Real Democrats don't abandon the middle class. --John Kerry

        by Lucy Montrose on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:46:11 AM PST

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        •  To his credit, (4+ / 0-)

          Greenwald has pointed out that his issue is not about closing Guantanamo but about indefinite detention - something simply closing Gitmo doesn't accomplish.

          At the same time, when GG wants to criticize Obama, he doesn't hesitate to pull out the old "he didn't close Gitmo" line when what he ought to say to be consistent is that he didn't simply release all the detainees ("where to?" might be a question one would then reasonably ask).

          Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. - Mahatma Gandhi

          by NLinStPaul on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:59:27 AM PST

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        •  More pining for the Magic Wand™ (3+ / 0-)
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          Yeah, it is very frustrating to see so much misunderstanding of basic American governance bandied about on what is supposed to be a go-to site for informed political discussion. We have Presidents, legislatures, and courts. We do not have Merlin.

      •  Thank you for recognizing that. (0+ / 0-)

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