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  •  The right wing (4+ / 0-)
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    will never be satisfied when it comes to "border security" as Krauthammer so helpfully points out:

    Build the damn fence. And give “probationary legal status” to the 11 million — not on the day the bill is signed but on the day the fence is completed.
    If the fence isn't built, they can claim that the border isn't secure (because really, we all know the only border that counts is the one where all the brown people come over), and thus vote against any immigration bill.

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:41:13 AM PST

    •  Canadians stream into America daily (8+ / 0-)

      unchecked.

      When will we secure that border?

      Republicans should be reminded twice a day, every day, that they are dumber than dogshit.

      A lot more should happen to them, but that;s all I can say.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:51:35 AM PST

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    •  You must solve the problem first (0+ / 0-)

      before granting amnesty.

      And that includes overstayed visas as well.  Not just the southern border.

      •  I have a real problem with the word "amnesty." (4+ / 0-)

        Amnesty is a pardon for wrongdoing.  No one is proposing giving undocumented immigrants a pardon for crossing the border illegally.

        Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor that carries a fine.  Every proposal being offered by either party includes a fine to be imposed on any undocumented immigrant who comes forward.  The difference is offering these immigrants a path to citizenship, which may involve paying back taxes (a nasty can of worms - some of these people have already been paying some taxes), a waiting period that includes background checks and possibly a provision that they learn English.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:48:16 AM PST

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        •  Use whatever word you like (0+ / 0-)

          You miss the point.  None of what you mention should happen until the problem - i.e. open borders and tracking of visa overstays - is solved.

          You otherwise invite potentially millions of new undocumented immigrants into this country to take advantage of the new laws.

          •  The only way you're going to solve the problem (3+ / 0-)
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            is to ratchet back the corporatist empire that aids and abets the impoverishment of the people in those countries.

            The fantasy that you're going to fix it with more guards, guns and fences is ... well, it's a fantasy. Kind of like the fantasy that you're going to fix the problem of security from crime in your home by building gated communities, installing electronic alarm systems to alert the rentacops, and stashing an arsenal under your bed.

            To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

            by UntimelyRippd on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:04:40 AM PST

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        •  We should tax the money that is going by wire (3+ / 0-)
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          transfer back to Mexico every Friday evening.
          Construction workers, at least, like to get paid in cash and faithfully hit the Orlando Valuti (or now, Walmart) to wire money directly home to the family. Walmart is now profiting off undocumented workers in that way.
          I've never begrudged the workers that, but they should be paying taxes like everyone else.

          We need a North American Summit specifically to rework NAFTA to fix the problems with it.

          A fence is stupid and an environmental monstrosity.

          Hispanics learn English. They usually know more than they admit. That used to be a way of keeping a low profile. These days I think they use it when they need to.

          Part of the citizenship process is an understanding of civics and the fact that their rights come with responsibilities.
          That is one reason they need to be brought into citizenship.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:36:06 AM PST

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      •  You cannot totally seal a border (0+ / 0-)

        Not even a small country like Israel has totally sealed its borders.

        North Korea has few trying to sneak in yet some do but try as it may the border is regularly breached by escaping N, Koreans. China is fierce about catching and returning their "illegal immigrants" to the certainty of torture. Yet people do get through, travel the length of China, always facing capture and return, till they make their way to South Korea.

        As long as you have quotas so limited that US businesses have incentive to breach them you will have problems.

        I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

        by samddobermann on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 03:39:59 PM PST

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