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  •  Michael Gordon and Mark Landler, (10+ / 0-)

    in a NYT retrospective on Hillary Clinton's term as SoS, recounted an eye-opening look into a backdoor attempt by Hillary to more fully involve the U.S. in the Syrian revolution:

    Last summer, as the fighting in Syria raged and questions about the United States’ inaction grew, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton conferred privately with David H. Petraeus, the director of the C.I.A. The two officials were joining forces on a plan to arm the Syrian resistance.

    The idea was to vet the rebel groups and train fighters, who would be supplied with weapons. The plan had risks, but it also offered the potential reward of creating Syrian allies with whom the United States could work, both during the conflict and after President Bashar al-Assad’s eventual removal.

    Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Petraeus presented the proposal to the White House, according to administration officials. But with the White House worried about the risks, and with President Obama in the midst of a re-election bid, they were rebuffed.

    If this is a harbinger of how a Hillary presidency would approach foreign policy - by involving the U.S. in a civil war to overthrow a(nother) dictatorial government in the mideast with the hope of making allies out of the war's winners - I'm seriously reconsidering my wish that she run for president in 2016.

    Hillary's foreign policy hawkishness has always bothered me, but actually planning with the head of the CIA to take an active role in a civil war in Syria is at least a few steps further than I'm willing to go with her.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:51:25 AM PST

    •  Interesting. (1+ / 0-)
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      "The light which puts out our sight is darkness to us." Thoreau

      by NancyWH on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:31:35 AM PST

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    •  I don't think there's anything (0+ / 0-)

      nefarious about this, if Hillary wanted to present a plan to Obama, she would need the involvement of the CIA in order to accomplish her goals, wouldn't she?
      We took an active role in the civil war in Libya, didn't we?

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:03:58 AM PST

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      •  I didn't mean to insinuate that there was (2+ / 0-)
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        something nefarious about Hillary's working with Petraeus to craft a plan to involve the U.S. in Syria's civil war.  I don't know whether she worked with the CIA behind the president's back or with his full knowledge.  But the idea that she thinks the U.S. should be more involved in taking sides in the middle east upheavals - to the point of having the CIA, presumably in Turkey and perhaps in Jordan training and arming Syrian rebels, of drawing us slowly but inexorably into that conflict, and also threatening to draw Russia and Israel into it as well, is an indication of a mindset that U.S. intervention will bring about results that we prefer and a government built on democracy that would be our ally.  

        There are dozens of rebel groups in that country, all infiltrated and cross-pollinated by terrorists.  But there is no way of knowing who to support - the group we seem to prefer at the moment does not have the backing of the majority of the Syrian people - and what would keep the dynamics of those groups from changing?

        And speaking of Libya, which was neither a close ally of Russia nor a close neighbor of Israel, we armed their rebels with materiel to fight the Qaddafi regime, much of which was hijacked or stolen or simply scooped up by insurgents who were responsible for killing four of our embassy staffers and now threaten the new interim government.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:55:00 AM PST

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    •  I agree and more so. Hillary is (0+ / 0-)

      terribly hawkish. Trouble is she seemed to be content with not intervening in Rwanda. And I don't mean by arming either side.

      I am so glad she didn't get to meddle in the Israeli Palestine situation.

      I really really hope she doesn't run. She is old. (As is Joe.) Against Christie's brash youth ?

      I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

      by samddobermann on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:34:59 PM PST

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