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  •  False equivalence (1+ / 0-)
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    Laconic Lib

    LW partisanship <> RW partisanship. That's a RW meme that's been picked up and reinforced by the RW-fearing media. There is absolutely zero equivalence, none, on a moral or ethical level, between rigging the system, and unrigging the system, between trying to destroy the New Deal, and trying to preserve it, between making government serve rich and powerful special interests, and making it serve the public interest (its one and only core job btw)--unless you believe that fighting for one cause is as valid or invalid as fighting for another.

    In which case, we might as well not even have a legal system because both sides are equally contentious are acting badly.

    So I reject the nonsense "the public is tired of partisan fighting" because that's a RW meme intended to keep us from fighting for what we believe is right.

    As for whether this is Obama's job, well, to the extent that this might be illegal or even unconstitutional, then yes, it is his job--or his AG's job--obviously, to do something about it. And as head of his party, it's part of his job to protect his party from such things. I don't buy this silly "I'm the president of all the country, not the Democratic party" nonsense. Unless and until the other side feels the same way, I don't see the point in unilateral disarmament. Only a fool does that. Things aren't going to get better until we crush them. Only a fool believes otherwise. We are NOT "post-partisan", never have been, likely never will be. Politics is war by other means. It's not how I wish things were, just how they actually are. There is no middle path to a better future.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:41:50 AM PST

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    •  I agree with most of this, (0+ / 0-)

      that the Corporate Media and the RightWing have created this false equivalence, but it is out there and is a major obstacle. Too many people buy it on both the Right and the Left (I am not one of them but I can see the trendlines). And Obama addressed that concern in his campaign (in 2008).
      I agree that the GOP's goals are foul and that our side has the moral high ground, but that doesn't overcome the fact that we're outgunned. And with the sniping from our Left, it only gets tougher.
      It's more likely that this would be a matter for Civil Law as opposed to Criminal Law, so it would not be the duty of the AG or the Pres, it would be the Party leadership, the DNC chair et cetera and the Party Rank&File that would have to take this up. Which I would strongly support doing, can we raise some Orange Funds?
      And no we are no more post-partisan than we are post-racial. It's an ongoing fight. I just don't think that Obama is the person or in the correct position to lead this particular battle.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:05:06 AM PST

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      •  I would think that violations of the equal (0+ / 0-)

        protection clause could be shown to be criminal, if intent and awareness could be demonstrated, making it a DoJ matter. Also FEC, but it has no teeth and isn't likely to any time soon, especially with the DC court ruling on recess appointments. Notice how comprehensive the GOP strategy is? This has been decades in design and implementation. Why can't we be that strategic?

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:41:53 AM PST

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        •  Because we have scruples? (0+ / 0-)

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:59:16 AM PST

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          •  I don't see the connection, unless this is snark (0+ / 0-)

            Having a comprehensive and effective strategy doesn't in and of itself make one unscrupulous. It makes one smart (which evil people can be, alas). The ends towards which one proceeds and the means by which one does so are what determine whether one is scrupulous or not.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:05:15 AM PST

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            •  And to get to where the Right is (0+ / 0-)

              takes a willingness to do ANYthing, right or wrong. Legal or questionable, to achieve their goals. They have no compunction about lying, about hurting people that oppose them, about ruining them politically, economically, et cetera.
              If they had any scruples at all, much of their agenda would not have been implemented.
              Just one example: The GOP-appointed Supremes. Roberts, Scalia, Alito, even Thomas, dodged, twisted and even flat out lied in their confirmation hearings. Had they been honest, and had their sponsors been honorable, none of those creeps would have been impaneled.

              If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

              by CwV on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:48:08 AM PST

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              •  Blame Biden for that (0+ / 0-)

                Gore lost in 2000 because Biden gave up in 1991. That was the year that Dems finally lost their fight, and it all began to go downhill.

                "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                by kovie on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 11:15:21 AM PST

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                •  There you go: (0+ / 0-)

                  Blame a Democrat for the perfidy of the Republicans.

                  If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

                  by CwV on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 11:28:29 AM PST

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                  •  He let Thomas stream through (0+ / 0-)

                    and short-shifted Hill and her supporters. Bush the Elder was still riding high over his Gulf War triumph and Biden felt he had to do penance for Bork.

                    When Dems stop fighting, Repubs do harm. It's a never-ending struggle.

                    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                    by kovie on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 12:06:13 PM PST

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                    •  Yeah, the Republicans do the harm (0+ / 0-)

                      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

                      by CwV on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 12:16:47 PM PST

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                      •  To the extent that we let them (0+ / 0-)

                        We elect Dems in part to protect us from Repubs.

                        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                        by kovie on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 12:19:34 PM PST

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