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  •  I haven't been close to Canadian politics lately - (0+ / 0-)

    but is there an appetite or legal capability for Parliament to shove it down the throat of BC and ship out of Port Metro Vancouver?  I've been pretty surprised that Harper and his prairie rednecks haven't been turfed yet but Canadians keep voting for the creep.

    "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

    by auron renouille on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:29:55 PM PST

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    •  That would be pretty expensive (1+ / 0-)
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      The Rocky Mountains are in the way. You'd have to haul the pipeline up and down them big ol' hills before it got to Vancouver. I'm not an expert in the physics of pumping oil, but I can't imagine that running a pipeline up and over the Rockies would be as cost-effective as running it acrossa the relatively flat Great Plains.

      The only alternative I can think of would be to run the pipeline north through Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Ontario and/or Nunavut and ship the oil out of Hudson Bay. Even if climate change makes navigating Hudson Bay year round feasible, I doubt there are port and/or refinery facilities on Hudson Bay to handle the crude, and certainly nothing like you would get in Vancouver.

      If you can't say anything nice about the GOP, please post here more often.

      by Omir the Storyteller on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 01:18:21 AM PST

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      •  Plus, the pipe would have to go through (3+ / 0-)
        The Rocky Mountains are in the way. You'd have to haul the pipeline up and down them big ol' hills before it got to Vancouver.
        an Indian reservation.  Canadian Indians have more clout than U.S. Indians, and they are fighting the idea tooth and nail.  

        Renewable energy brings national global security.     

        by Calamity Jean on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 07:11:50 PM PST

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      •  Northern Gateway (1+ / 0-)
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        Enbridge is the company behind Northern Gateway, a pipeline that will take oil from the tarsands to Vancouver, as I understand it.

        There is a federal review panel doing hearings now. The First Nations groups and many other people are appearing and objecting.

        However, as I understand it, Stephen Harper's Conservative government has (or soon will) amend legislation to weaken environmental protection and to put the decision on a pipeline like this one into the hands of the minister. (Harper is an Alberta MP, incidentally, so definitely a pro-tarsands kind of guy.)

        Enbridge certainly hoped to get First Nations people to buy into this and give their consent, but it seems to me that the Harper government is setting things up to push it through whether anybody in BC likes it or not.

        There won't be another election until 2015, which seems like a long, long, time away.

      •  Rocky Mountains (1+ / 0-)
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        Sorry, I think I was wrong in my earlier comment about the destination of the pipeline that would carry the bitumen. It starts near Edmonton and ends in Kitimat, BC, where the plan is to build a terminal with tanker berths.

        Enbridge plans to build tunnels through the Coast Mountains. It looks to me like the route is north of of the Rocky Mountains.

      •  Hrm, yeah, guess all I was thinking was the (0+ / 0-)

        Cascades/Coast Range, which have a decent tame spot around northeast of Blaine and the US/Canadian border; it's where much of Washington's agriculture is.  But silly me, I hadn't thought of the Rockies.  That known, they could almost ship out of the Great Lakes just as easily.

        Regardless, point well taken; it's a lot harder than it looks from Google Maps.

        "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

        by auron renouille on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 12:12:20 AM PST

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    •  About turfing out Harper (0+ / 0-)

      Next election isn't until 2015.

      The NDP has a new leader and the Liberals are just choosing their new leader.

      Harper and his crowd are too far right--in my opinion--but the more center and left voters are dividing up their votes between NDP, Liberals, and Green, making it possible for the Conservatives to get the most votes in a riding even when they are nowhere near a majority.

      The parties need to work on this issue: not necessarily join together, but figure out some strategy so that more not-Conservative candidates are elected.

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