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  •  Skeet shooting with a rifle? (3+ / 0-)
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    Damn, he's THAT good?

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 03:04:26 PM PST

    •  In the photo it's a shotgun (2+ / 0-)
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      joynow, kyril

      but it was probably photoshopped in. ;^)

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 04:13:35 PM PST

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      •  God I hope you're wrong! (0+ / 0-)

        But seriously, why hasn't anyone caught this? You don't go skeet shooting with a rifle, from what I know. Not that he can't shoot a rifle in target shooting AND go skeet shooting with a shotgun, but it was a weird mistake on his part.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 04:19:29 PM PST

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        •  Are you confusing different comments? (2+ / 0-)
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          For one thing, Schlerer met with Obama twice. First on 9/13/10 for the NCAA championship. Second on 9/24/12 as a member of the US Olympic team.

          He told the press he does skeet shooting at Camp David. He released a photo of him shooting what knowledgeable gun owners recognize as an over and under. As in, there are two barrels, aligned vertically, not horizontally. One is a rifle barrel, the other a shotgun. So, technically, you can go skeet shooting with a gun that is part rifle. You just don't use that barrel. (Well, not commonly. There is the element of foolish folks who do any number of dumb things with guns. A drink before lunch can cause a friend to be mistaken for a bird...)

          I read the comment from one of the meetings with Sarah that he practices with the Secret Service, also with rifles. Not that he shoots skeet with a rifle.

          "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

          by Ginny in CO on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:30:51 PM PST

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          •  Umm (2+ / 0-)
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            I'm no gun expert but I thought that an over and under meant a two barrel shot gun with one over the other, as opposed to a side by side, and not one barrel for the shotgun and the other for a rifle. Even if that was technically possible, I don't see the point, and it would be some incredibly complicated mechanism. Shotguns and rifles are used for different purposes.

            Kind of reminds me of the double guitar that Jimmy Page used to play during Stairway to Heaven, but there was actually a good reason for that as the bridge between the acoustic and electric parts made physically changing guitars while playing difficult. But a rifle/shotgun?

            Ok gun people, help me out here. Is there such a thing, and why?

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:00:39 PM PST

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            •  I'm trying to help you out. (2+ / 0-)
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              kyril, Kevskos

              BING!

              Wiki:

              Combination guns have a long history in Europe, dating back to the early days of cartridge firearms, and they are most popular in Germany, Switzerland and Austria. These guns are almost exclusively hunting arms. The advantage of having a single firearm that can fire both rifle and shotgun cartridges is that a single gun can be used to hunt a very wide variety of game, from deer to game birds, and the shooter can choose the barrel appropriate for the target in seconds. The higher weight of the guns may be viewed as a disadvantage, especially for firing shot in situations where follow-through is required.
              I'm not a gun expert either. I have hunted and shot with an over and under that has been in my ex's family for generations. In AK they have a loyal following because of the availability of different kinds of game in variable terrain. SE is really fun to hunt in for marshy sea fronts with birds, to mountainous pine forests with so many fallen trees it is hard to get anywhere at any kind of speed. In other areas, Ptarmigans are the game birds who live in habitat with bigger game.

              Hope this helps.

              "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

              by Ginny in CO on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:08:37 PM PST

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              •  An over-under for skeet shooting (5+ / 0-)

                is two shotgun barrels, one on top of the other, not a combination rifle/shotgun.

                That way you have two shots ready when you release double clays, from the high and low house simultaneously.

                •  I never did skeet shooting with anything but (1+ / 0-)
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                  a shotgun because our over/under was the rifle combination and I used it too little to care if I practiced.

                   I thought some of the more up to date folks here had identified the gun in the photo as a shotgun/rifle, which I would not have attempted. My comment was -technically- you can shoot skeet with the rifle combination. Some people who use them to hunt do it because that's what they have to be able to do in the field. At least among the people we hunted with.

                  Now, I will totally agree that most folks in Alaska are, different. If you don't have a 'think different' attitude, Alaska is not for you. ;)

                  "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

                  by Ginny in CO on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:24:21 PM PST

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                  •  In the other thread (0+ / 0-)

                    I believe the make and model were identified, but I don't recall them off hand.

                    I've never seen a shotgun/rifle combination but I can certainly imagine it's useful for certain types of hunting.

                    In skeet, the over/under shotgun seems to be almost always used. I've never seen anything else on the skeet ranges (in about a dozen times I've gone) except for my friend who used a pump because he liked to be different. :)

            •  rifle/shotgun a very popular combination (2+ / 0-)
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              Kevskos, greenbird

              basically it's a good ranch and farm gun. It has one of several versions of .22 caliber barrel on top and a .410 or 20 gauge shotgun on the bottom. They usually are inexpensive and pretty common.

              Each barrel is a single shot, it breaks with a lever like most of the over/under and side by side  breaking shotguns. In other words the barrels thus opened are exposed at the back, the old shell is extracted, the news ones put in, the gun refolded straight, the hammer cocked by thumb, and bang/Moof!
              Or not.

              This machine kills Fascists.

              by KenBee on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 03:44:37 AM PST

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              •  wow !!! just in TIME, man !!! (1+ / 0-)
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                enlighten me, o Bee-Man-Wonder.
                rifle/shotgun combo.
                side of insane nachos, i'm GOOD.

                bang/Moof! is like a black or brown-belt designation?
                just ONE link. a good one. a trustworthy one.
                i'm a happy bird. just in TIME, looka that cloud of dust as he clops to the rescue (a la Python/Grail).

                c'mon, Mr. Bee-Man-Wonder... .22 top. .410/20-g bottom.

                ( ;) really -- then i'll be off to study Mr. Jimmy Page's work-around -- and next, i'll ask: what tunes is POTUS listening to in those ear thingies? )

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                by greenbird on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 08:37:09 PM PST

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        •  Although I know less (2+ / 0-)
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          about firearms than Ginny, I , too, took it to mean two separate activities.

          And I was kidding! See the little winky face?

          "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

          by sidnora on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:01:24 PM PST

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        •  No weird mistake, he didn't confuse the two. (2+ / 0-)
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          He recently said he shoots skeet at Camp David. Am old photo was released of just that after media hounded for pictures, shooting skeet using a shotgun at Camp David. I saw clips where they complained angle was wrong or something, no complaints about gun itself.

          He told the shooting champions in 2010 that he practices shooting with secret service, he didn't say skeet shooting.

          He never combined skeet shooting with using a rifle. (Unless there is some other incident I am missing)

          But if we are doing this can't wait to see what the right does with it. Yes, I can wait. In fact I hope I don't hear about it.

          •  What's confusing (0+ / 0-)

            is that he discussed rifle shooting with a rifle team member in this excerpt:

            Obama told the TCU team that he, too, practiced shooting with a rifle. "He said he practiced with the Secret Service," said Riford, who graduated from TCU in May and now works in Fort Worth.
            And then in a different excerpt, also talking with a rifle team member, he mentioned his skeet shooting:
            Scherer wrote that President Obama asked her in which sport she competed. When Scherer told him she was a rifle shooter, he joked about his experiences with skeet shooting.
            Either the diary or the articles didn't make clear that he does both. Also, kind of weird that he asked a RIFLE team member what sport she competed in (unless he was asking which specific rifle event she competed in, but her answer seems to eliminate that possibility).

            Obviously, none of this means anything in the greater scheme of things and I'm sure he knows the difference between a shotgun and rifle, but there are some minor contradictions here that I can't really explain.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 07:55:51 AM PST

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            •  That's not confusing at all (3+ / 0-)
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              He didn't just host the rifle team. He hosted something like 17 NCAA Championship teams in one day. Hence he had to ask "where are the sharpshooters from TCU?" when he was speaking to all of the teams at once.

              Everyone showed up in formal attire, so when he spoke to an individual one-on-one, he would have likely to ask which of the NCAA championship  teams they belonged to, since there were a lot of them there.

    •  If you're Annie Oakley. eom (3+ / 0-)
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      The frog jumped/ into the old pond/ plop! (Basho)

      by Wolf10 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:41:44 PM PST

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