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  •  Mark E Andersen, you are just plain wrong (0+ / 0-)

    I'm 42 years Union and proud of it. Were I not forced I would be more than happy to pay my Union dues but I am forced under a collective bargaining agreement.

    If you want to split hairs by claiming that the 4% of my salary that I gladly pay is not union dues and only that tiny pittance I pay for stamps in my book are the only real union dues, well that's up to you.

    But I work in a Union Shop and 4% of my salary, some that goes to pension and welfare, some for organizing and some for Union office administration, wherever it goes if I work I pay.  

    Ron Paul is tool of the employer and he is trying to stamp that out not just in right to work states but everywhere so as to further weaken Unions. That's his point and my point is that we need to fight to give rights to Unions to collect obligatory union dues in union shops to keep those shops Union.      

    •  No, I am not... (0+ / 0-)

      It is just not something that is well known or publicized.

      "Republicans only care about the rich" - My late Father (-8.25, -7.85)

      by Mark E Andersen on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 07:20:14 PM PST

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      •  You don't have a fucking clue. (0+ / 0-)

        I guarantee that I've been a Shop Stewart more years than you been in a union but you got your your lesser known facts to rationalize.

        I know everybody is always right here no matter what evidence you put before them but why don't you just cut your bullshit and adjust the very misleading facts in the diary text.  


        •  Remeber Kos' don't be a dick rule... (0+ / 0-)

 just crossed that line. This conversation is now over.

          "Republicans only care about the rich" - My late Father (-8.25, -7.85)

          by Mark E Andersen on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 08:58:03 AM PST

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          •  it all depends on your definition of dick (0+ / 0-)

            Like when rank and file union members try over and over to explain the fact to you and provide links to prove those facts, it pretty dickish when you can't articulate your misleading and false points but keep arguing anyway.

            The fact of the matter is that you don't understand the reason for the bill and are unaware of the bite this bill has because you don't understand a Union Shop.

            Your diary as stands damages union causes but you don't really care, do you.  You browsed the internet and found some way to complain about Rand Paul. As far as the fact that such a bill will never get beyond committee that dosen't matter either. You got to put Rand Paul in the title.

            You are right about one thing, we are finished because I know that you bring nothing to the table. And I know I'll never see you at anything I'll write.  

            •  The NLRB disagrees with you (0+ / 0-)

              ...and since you won't leave it alone...

              What are the rules about union dues?

              The amount of dues collected from employees represented by unions is subject to federal and state laws and court rulings.

              The NLRA allows employers and unions to enter into union-security agreements, which require all employees in a bargaining unit to become union members and begin paying union dues and fees within 30 days of being hired.

              Even under a security agreement, employees who object to full union membership may continue as 'core' members and pay only that share of dues used directly for representation, such as collective bargaining and contract administration. Known as objectors, they are no longer full members but are still protected by the union contract. Unions are obligated to tell all covered employees about this option, which was created by a Supreme Court ruling and is known as the Beck right.

              An employee may object to union membership on religious grounds, but in that case, must pay an amount equal to dues to a nonreligious charitable organization.


              "Republicans only care about the rich" - My late Father (-8.25, -7.85)

              by Mark E Andersen on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 04:35:00 PM PST

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              •  I guess you can't even remember what you wrote... (0+ / 0-)

                in the diary. So I'll remind you.

                Which just goes to show how much of an idiot Rand Paul is. No one is forced to pay union dues. While it is frowned upon, if you don't want to pay dues you don't have to.
                And now you are posting a link that clearly states members are obliged to pay pay "that share of dues used directly for representation, such as collective bargaining and contract administration."

                Like I wrote above Union Members explained the facts to you and since you are never wrong you just went on an on.

                You don't have any idea what Unions are up against and you don't have any knowledge of Unions. Stop writing about us. We don't need you.

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