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  •  There were only two Beauforts left. (6+ / 0-)

    Henry VII and his mother. I always liked the story of Lambert Simmel, claiming to be the duke of someplace (sorry about that), son of George of Clarence, and during a climactic battle Henry produced the real one. Hilarious.

    •  Technically Yes. Bloodlines No. (11+ / 0-)

      Cecilly Neville, Grandaughter of John of Gaunt and Katherine Swyndford was Richard's mom. So mDNA of Richard III goes through, Cecilly Neville, Joan Beafort, and then to Katherine Swnford mistress/wife of John of Gaunt, and son of Edward III.

      Anya Seton's classic, Katherine, and Alison Weir's excellent Mistress of Monarchy are both about Katherine Swynford. Her father came to the english court as part of Edward the III's wife's, Phillipa of Hanailt's entourage.

      •  Okay — onto the reading list! (1+ / 0-)
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        There's another Alison Weir book I want to read! She does fascinating books on the period of the War of the Roses.

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        by JayC on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 05:01:20 PM PST

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        •  I've read most of her books, and Mistress is (0+ / 0-)

          very good. After reading about all the miserable pregnancy after pregnancy of so many of the monarchy, Katherine and her female descendents seemed to have an ability, better sucess rate for large healthy families. There are no images of Katherine, and I believe there is no body either, not sure. So I think it is very fascinating they have her mitochaondrial dna.

    •  The kings of Scotland were Beaufort descendants -- (3+ / 0-)
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      a Gaunt-Swynford grand-daughter was married off to one of the early Jameses.  Also, the Duke of Buckingham was the grand-son of the Gaunt-Swynford daughter, Joan, who married the Neville Duke of Westmoreland, by whom she had a shitload of children and many, many grand-children.  So, in fact, Beaufort descendants were thick on the ground in 1485.  Also, Gaunt descendants by his first two wives were spread throughout European royalty and nobility like raisins in raisin bread -- e.g., Portgugal, Spain, the Holy Roman Emperor.  In fact, Henry VIII's first wife was, like him, a descendant of John of Gaunt through her mother, Queen Isabella.

      .  Henry Tudor's claim to the throne was based mostly on the fact that he was the only surviving descendant of the first Beaufort SON.  (Gaunt's first son, by his first wife, was Henry IV, whose line went extinct when the Yorkists (Richard?) killed Henry VI & his son.) It also helped that Henry Tudor was the grandson of Henry V's wife, the daughter of a king of France, who married Owen Tudor after Henry V died young.  In other words, Henry Tudor's father and brother were half-brothers of Henry VI.  Consequently, Henry became the natural focus for the support of the Lancastrian nobility after Henry VI and his son were killed.  

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