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  •  the bones presumed to be those of the young (6+ / 0-)

    princes are in an urn in the henry VII chapel  of westminster abbey:

    http://www.r3.org/...

    this site mentions that they were found in a place and manner  that matched thomas more's and other contemporary accounts.

    i suppose the next step is to seek a genetic match between them and the remains of richard III.  would the paternal dna of richard III and edward IV's father have passed to the little princes in the tower?  i think so.

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    by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 04:18:44 PM PST

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    •  The Y chromosome passes through the male line (1+ / 0-)

      the same way mitochondrial DNA passes through the female line. So males of a direct line would all have the same Y chromosome. Neither of them can skip through a generation of the opposite sex.

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      by FarWestGirl on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 06:35:34 PM PST

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      •  so the princes and richardIII would (1+ / 0-)
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        share a y chromosome from richard's father, the princes' grandfather.  but michael ibsen, the last descendant of richard's sister, wouldn't.

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        by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 07:26:41 PM PST

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        •  Correct. Ibsen's test was for mitochondrial DNA, (1+ / 0-)

          specific to the maternal line.

          So they were looking for confirmation from both sides for Richard, but they'd need the direct male line for confirmation of the twins.

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          by FarWestGirl on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 07:33:56 PM PST

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          •  they weren't twins. (1+ / 0-)
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            they were seperated by around 3 years.

            presumably they could get dna from the princes father, and from the bones, and add to what they've undoubtedly already taken from R3.  

            and that would be it, no?

            or actually, they could get mtdna from HenryVIII and mtdna from the bones, and prove it that way, as the princes' sister was HVIII's mother.

            i wish queenie would budge on this.

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            by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 07:45:26 PM PST

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            •  mtDNA is much easier to get a clean sample of. (1+ / 0-)

              I very much doubt there will be movement regarding permissions, too much potential embarrassment in confirming bloodlines. ;-)

              It would be very nice to clear up what happened to the princes. ::sigh::

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              by FarWestGirl on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 07:37:24 AM PST

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