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  •  The ban on atheists (13+ / 0-)

    Only holds up if Scouting continues to profess that religious belief is a foundational principle.  Now, granted - there is actually a stronger case for this within scouting than there ever was for excluding gays - a Scout is reverent, etc.  

    Still, it's something of an unworkable concept.  What does it mean to say, okay, as long as you belief in a religious framework of ANY kind, we'll let you in, but if you don't have ANY religious framework, you're out?

    In other words, the following beliefs are Scouting Approved:

    -Believe in One God, who revealed His plan through His One son
    -Believe in One God, who revealed his Plan through His Last Prophet
    -Believe in One G-d, who revealed his Plan through his prophets
    -Believe in Many Gods
    -Believe in spirtual striving for Nirvana - non-theistic?
    The following belief is not Scouting approved:
    The physical universe is the sum of existence
    How do you even articulate that, let alone claim it as a core principle?
    •  That is not examined too closely. (8+ / 0-)

      The religious aspect is a dont' ask don't tell kind of thing.

      But I have to say that this guy in the video is clueless if he thinks scouting programs aren't different from troop to troop.

      Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

      by voracious on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 04:41:57 PM PST

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    •  You have to understand the politics. (2+ / 0-)
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      The problem isn't the BSA's Board of Directors--in fact, they might become the biggest advocates for change because they have a legal obligation to do what's in the best interest of the health and longevity of the organization.

      The problem is the religious sponsors.  I was once told there was something called the "Board of Advisors" made up of representatives of the major sponsoring bodies of Scouting troops, packs, etc.  This starts with the Mormons and Catholics and includes the Methodist Men's Board (not the UMC, itself, which is less conservative).  These are the neanderthals opposed to inclusive policies.

      The harsh reality is that the LDS has been running the BSA for decades because any time they don't get their own way, they threaten to pull out and form their own scouting-type program.  The main thing keeping them in is that associating with Scouting gives them the patina of mainstream American values.

      This may be on the verge of tipping because the tide of history is turning against the BSA.  No other major US youth program has a blanket ban on gays or atheists.  State and local jurisdictions have stopped giving free support and facilities.  The US Armed Services have repealed DADT.  Public opinion is shifting.

      The final nail in the coffin of this outdated policy may be corporate support.  I believe the incoming President of the BSA is an ATT executive.  

      It will be interesting to see how this plays out.  

      (That sound you are hearing is a paradigm being shifted at Warp Factor Infinity using no clutch.)

      by homogenius on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 09:40:51 PM PST

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