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  •  It's official US policy (2+ / 0-)
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    http://www.dailykos.com/... (sourcing in original diary)

    Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent.

    "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

    by Hayate Yagami on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 04:23:54 PM PST

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    •  Not exactly relevent here (0+ / 0-)

      That's the rationale for making the strike in the first place. Arguably a sensible policy, since if you had to make 100% sure there was not one civilian combatant, you could almost never make a strike. It's not the rationale for justifying the killing afterwards, as the poster above was claiming and apparently, attributing said policy to me.

      •  You're right I did do that, didn't I? Apologies. (0+ / 0-)

        You did however justify the murder of an innocent child because "he went with bad company", to paraphrase you, correct?  You then tried patronizing me by telling my my mother surely taught me better than to hang around with bad crowds.

        You blamed the victim.

        And it is exactly relevant, you justify the killing of innocent Americans through the use of drones by the CIA, an intelligence agency, not even our military.  Who gave them the hardware? Who authorized the use of military hardware by a civilian intelligence agency? The POTUS!

        The US CONSTITUTION:

        Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the United States Constitution, sometimes referred to as the War Powers Clause, vests in the Congress the power to declare war, in the following wording:

            [Congress shall have Power...] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

        Note it doesn't say the POTUS or a civilian agency under his direct command may wage war in foreign lands.

        Or is the argument now going to be "it was a police action" akin to Law Enforcement????  Then we'd have to ask who's law is being enforced here, surely not "We The People's Law".

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 05:50:15 PM PST

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        •  Nope (0+ / 0-)

          I didn't justify the murder because there was no evidence that there was  any murder that needed.   Al-Awlaki Jr. wasn't murdered. I see no evidence to support that theory. Most logically, he was collateral damage, because he voluntarily got into a car with known AQ operatives in an area where he knew or should have known that both the Yemeni and US governments were taking aggressive, lethal action against militants.  There's no logical reason to believe that the U.S. government intentionally targeted him.
          And no, I didn't intend to patronize you. I ask that question in all seriousness. My parents warned me growing up about not getting mixed up with the wrong crowd as it can get you into trouble, even kill you. I.E. Don't get in the car with the driver who's been drinking, stay away from those who do drugs, etc. The same logic ought to apply to the late Al-Awlaki family.

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