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  •  I agree: it is here now; it has happened (11+ / 0-)

    I agree entirely with your article.

    Our democratic system of government has been replaced by a government of , by, and for the wealthy interests.  

    And while the constitution exists, its laws and policies are no longer followed.  Hence, extra-judicial killings are legal and even applauded (one poll says over 80% of Americans approve of the use of drones to kill American citizens abroad).

    With no more constitutionally-protected civil rights, drone strikes to remove suspected  "terrorists", "enemeis", and "criminals" will follow shortly.

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 10:58:42 AM PST

    •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

      I've been reading a great deal about Awlaki today to try to get a handle on why our government would go to such extraordinary lengths to target one of its own citizens and I gotta tell you he was one evil man and deeply responsible for lots of death and destruction within our borders.  He planted himself outside our borders and sided with declared enemies of our nation, put himself in with the same combatants we have no problem shooting in warfare and then flaunted that "immunity".  We can argue all day as to the long term effectiveness of targeting people like that or even war in general but to make this ridiculous assumption that because we push the limits and kill a man like that, next year non-violent American political dissidents are going to be in the cross hairs of drones, is simply nuts.  

      That's exactly the type of paranoia that driving the gun crazies and Tea Party types today.  If this is an issue we need to resolve nationally let's do it without the hyperbole.

      "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism." -- Carl Sagan

      by artmartin on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 12:55:15 PM PST

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      •  Ummm. "Push the limits"? So killing someone (3+ / 0-)
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        without trial is simply pushing the limits.

        Please explain to me what it is that's going to ensure that political dissidents aren't treated the same?  Thinking that absolute power is not going to be used in a corrupted way is what's nuts.

        "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

        by gustynpip on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 01:03:52 PM PST

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        •  Bin Laden got no trial, either (1+ / 0-)
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          Are you similarly upset about that?

          No one has yet explained to me why targeting a U.S. citizen outside the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S. is legally distinguishable from the similar targeting of a noncitizen. Either they're both ok, or they're both not ok.

          And no one has suggested that it would be constitutionally permissible to target anyone, citizen or not, within the United States with a drone strike. Obviously withing the U.S. you must attempt to arrest them.

        •  sorry but during warfare (0+ / 0-)

          and acts of self defense you kill people without trial.  It's an abhorrent act to kill anyone anytime but damn if I'm the one with the responsibility laid on my shoulders to protect the nation.  Every President, every governor, every police officer has absolute power at times and we've managed not to slip into the abyss.  This is insane talk that using drones against proven terrorists abroad, right or wrong, clears the path for having any of us here at home targeted for murder.  War is assassination.  If you want to talk about the futility of war then I'm all ears but in the meantime this is what we were stuck with when Bush led the nation into this mess.  The cleanup is messy and brutal and takes time and this murderous jerk and his entourage tempted fate and lost.  End of story.

          "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism." -- Carl Sagan

          by artmartin on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 03:17:50 PM PST

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      •  We don't have to argue all day. You're wrong. (0+ / 0-)

        End of story.

      •  What about his son? (1+ / 0-)
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