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  •  Good work, jpmassar. (8+ / 0-)

    The SNP has promised that they will legalize same sex marriage immediately after the independence referendum in 2014, whatever the result. They have already helped remove anti-LGBT language from Scottish laws,

    For perspective, the Scottish Tories are led by Ruth Davidson, herself a Lesbian, so they won't face any organized resistance. The independence fight is so bitter, though, that it's consumed the SNP's ability to move forward on other important social changes.

    Independence and Green Energy are the SNP's two major issues, but while they're on the right side when it comes to social issues, they are spending the majority of their energy fighting what they see to be existential threats to the Scottish Nation, the Union, and Climate Change.

    The Independence debate colors everything they do right now, and so politically, they don't have much choice but to get that out of the way before getting on with other big and important changes.

    They're also dealing with three centuries of economic crisis which London has completely failed to deal with.

    As a Bisexual, I'm pretty frustrated with their inability to get this done ahead of time, but I understand the politics. They've only been in charge since 2007, and they're still cleaning up 300 years of ignored crises. LGBT Rights are on the list of things they want to get done, which is better than can be said for the other parties.

    Scottish Labour is really, really close to the Catholic church, and so they only really play lip service to LGBT rights. The LibDems are close to various Presbyterian groups, including the Church of Scotland, so they're not going to help either. The Tories don't care, and even if they did the population centers will never vote Tory, and so that leaves the SNP and the Greens as the only two parties who'll ever do anything about LGBTs in Scotland. Only one of those two parties will ever have political power, and that's the SNP.

    Cleaning up 300 years of failure is slow work, and though I think that justice delayed is justice denied, 2014 is as fast as this is going to happen in Scotland.

    An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

    by OllieGarkey on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 10:07:28 AM PST

    •  Err, I left out... (4+ / 0-)

      The UK Govt has no power to legislate social policy in Scotland. That's up to the Scottish Government.

      An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

      by OllieGarkey on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 10:09:07 AM PST

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    •  I was thinking that if the UK Parliament passed (4+ / 0-)
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      marriage equality that might push the Scottish Parliament to get it done.

      But from your remarks I guess that won't be the case.  Too bad.

      •  Yeah, I wish that were the case. (2+ / 0-)
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        The three London parties are kind of Spineless in Scotland. They don't have effective leadership, because they send their best and brightest to London, while the SNP sends their washed-up third-rate politicians to London. As a result, the London parties keep getting their butts handed to them on a platter.

        The Labour party lost some of its safest seats to the SNP in the last election. Places where they were winning by 30% ended up going to the SNP by 15%. When they did win, it was just by a hair.

        Getting in a fight with the Catholic Church by fighting for gay marriage might mean that Labour would go the way of the Liberal Democrats in the next election, who no longer have any seats in mainland Scotland.

        So you have a bunch of spineless failures being elected to local seats who just can't stand up to the best and brightest of the SNP, and who aren't equipped with the strength of character or political gamesmanship to do something daring that might piss off their largely catholic base. If they tried, it would just blow up in their faces like everything else they've tried since the Scottish Parliament reconvened in 2000.

        An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

        by OllieGarkey on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 10:21:49 AM PST

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        •  SNP? (1+ / 0-)
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          Scottish National Parliament?


          Not this mind and not this heart, I won't rot • Mumford & Sons

          by jayden on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 03:37:16 PM PST

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          •  Scottish National Party, (1+ / 0-)
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            the largest political party in Scotland. While they're nationalist, they also elected the very first non white and non christian member of the Scottish Parliament, Bashir Ahmad. Humza Yousaf and a bunch of others make up the Asian Scots for Independence, and the SNP coined the term "New Scots" to refer to immigrants.

            It's a very unique strain of pro-immigrant nationalism that could really only exist in an ideologically peculiar place like Scotland.

            An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

            by OllieGarkey on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 03:51:11 PM PST

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