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  •  Nuclear Weapons were a boon to global peace. (1+ / 0-)
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    Joieau

    And I'm not being snarky.

    Think of this: as scary as MAD might have been, it stopped our generation from having to live through another World War. (And I'm not just speaking of Americans, here, I especially mean Europeans.)

    Our parents' generation had to live through WWII, the greatest conflict the globe has ever seen; Our grandparents' generation had to live through WWI, the second greatest conflict the world has ever seen.

    Without thermonuclear weapons, there would have been a WWIII, probably fought between the USA and the USSR, with casualties that certainly would have exceeded those in WWII. Europe, the likely war zone, would have been stomped flatter than it already had been. Strategic conventional bombing would likely have come to US cities, etc.

    None of this took place because Thermonuclear weapons were just too dangerous to use. Thank god.

    "'club America salutes you' says the girl on the door/we accept all major lies, we love any kind of fraud"--The Cure, "Club America"

    by Wheever on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 12:43:20 PM PST

    •  It's easy to believe we never had WWIII (1+ / 0-)
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      but I think that's because we've been living in a sort of intellectual, consumer-blinded bubble in the US for a couple of generations now.

      I'm way too distracted to look it up now, but I've seen well-made arguments that WWIII, the Cold War, went on quite violently after WWII.

      Look at the wars and civil wars in Korea, Afghanistan (the Soviet One), Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia.... there's a few million casualties right there, and only in Asia. Then the various rightist regimes we raised and aided in South America; Marcos in the Philippines...

      All told, war-deaths in the millions; maimed at a higher number; impoverished and made refugees even more so.

      World War III was never officially declared, but there's sure as hell been a lot of murders for a "Cold" war. It looks slight in comparison to WWII. Probably not so slight in comparison to WWI.


      Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

      by Jim P on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 01:06:10 PM PST

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      •  It's a matter of scale (0+ / 0-)

        Combine all the post-WWII conflicts together and it doesn't begin to add up to the first world war, never mind the second. Not in fatalities, not in material, not in scope.

        "'club America salutes you' says the girl on the door/we accept all major lies, we love any kind of fraud"--The Cure, "Club America"

        by Wheever on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 07:28:34 PM PST

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    •  Not buying it, (0+ / 0-)

      but thanks for commenting.

      During WWII there was a considerable "Arms Race" on to be the first to develop this application of poor Einstein's E=mc^2 [it was inevitable, alas]. Which, after said development, both Einstein and Oppenheimer spoke out vehemently against (and rued their roles). You do know that at Trinity there was a betting pool on whether or not the yield would ignite the atmosphere and wipe out life on earth, don't you? It's kind of like experiments going on right now with the theoretical potential to create black holes that might swallow the earth, or cause an instantaneous phase change in the state of 'reality' to make it impossible for life ever to have existed in the first place. They don't care what the risks are. They're Boys With Toys.

      They indeed did risk life on earth in toto, and that's exactly what the public was led to believe would happen. They did it anyway, while stoking the public's fear of just that. Really.

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