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  •  it's really quite reminiscent (13+ / 0-)

    of what happened to some people after Obama's election. Suddenly they started spouting the most hateful and racist things, birther nonsense and what have you, when before they seemed reasonable and enlightened on race.

    Their entire lives they implicitly assumed that the world would always be the one they knew and loved--the one where they were in charge; therefore their true feelings remained buried. In some cases, deep within their subconscious.

    After the world really started to shift beneath their feet, and they realized they might not be in charge for much longer, they felt their very existence threatened. When their backs were against the wall, the feelings that were buried deep within surfaced in a great rush. And, like many subterranean things, those feelings were dark and ugly.

    I'm taking the diarist at face value. This is not the product of a drunken rage or a momentary temper tantrum. It's what he's always wanted to say and has always felt--the Palestinians are the problem, and any criticism of Israel is inherently anti-Semitic, and to hell with anyone who dares to show anything but unthinking support of Israel's actions.

    "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

    by limpidglass on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 02:42:46 PM PST

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    •  which has been the crux of the IP arguments (6+ / 0-)

      it seems, whether statements about the Israeli government could be antisemitic or at what point comments about Israel crossed the line over into antisemitism.

    •  Respectfully I disagree... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... Bevenro's post is exactly correct with regard to VB.

      We're not talking about Don Quixote here.  He was practical and knew what he was talking about - usually more than any other I/P diarist.  But there were things that, rightfully got him upset.  He diagnosed both of the recent IP diaries correctly, called the authors on their claims, and was donutted out of DKos.

      I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

      by Hey338Too on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 09:15:52 PM PST

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    •  I've had alot of contact with VB over the years. (2+ / 0-)
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      Including by e-mail and telephone.

      This:

      I'm taking the diarist at face value. This is not the product of a drunken rage or a momentary temper tantrum. It's what he's always wanted to say and has always felt--the Palestinians are the problem, and any criticism of Israel is inherently anti-Semitic, and to hell with anyone who dares to show anything but unthinking support of Israel's actions.
      This is what VB had become.  It is not what he used to be.  I got to know him when he was still a reasonable man.  We worked together on an attempt to calm the discussions in I/P diaries which had less success than we had hoped, but still made a remarkable difference.  Like any of us, he could lose his temper and did on occasion.

      Lately - over about the last 12 to 15 months - he has moved more and more in line with Israeli hard-liners.  His opinions were becoming harsh and he began to target The Troubadour and (to a much lesser extent) me as well.  I have read some of the things on the blog he runs and as bad as he claims some other websites to be, his can be at least as bad in both what he writes and what he allows to remain posted there.

      He wasn't always like this.  He used to be much more of a moderate.  What he has made himself into is obvious from this diary.  The "Epic Flame-out" seems to have been all he had left.

      Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

      by Celtic Merlin on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 08:12:04 AM PST

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