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  •  An excellent policy which should be extended to... (2+ / 0-)
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    kkjohnson, Smoh

    ... all diaries and most comments. The whole subject should be treated just like advocacy for third party candidates.

    The subject is pure poison and no debate is going to make any difference of any sort about the issue for anyone nor change anyone's opinion. I already saw an otherwise excellent group blog descend into utter shite when an I/P leg humper (which side the humper was humping for is irrelevant) was allowed to join and turned the whole thing into a non-stop I/P flame war. And I really hate it when I see the same thing on Kos.

    Those really passionate about I/P should be told to have their own blog where they can debate the whole thing all their fill all the way back to Methuselah 'till they turn blue.

    I deal in facts. My friends are few but fast.

    by Farugia on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 03:16:00 PM PST

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    •  I have been a part of plenty (12+ / 0-)

      of discussions here about I/P that were perfectly respectable, and until yesterday or so it had mostly been that way for a while.  The problems generally arise when someone who is a long time participant flips out, like VB1 yesterday and today, or a new troll shows up and people react to the troll with outrage.  

      Another part of the problem is that there is a lot of history that people just don't know and smart folks will wander into an I/P diary and say something that seems reasonable from an outsider perspective that's terribly inflammatory if you have a better knowledge of the situation.

      I don't think they should be banned, but they should be clearly marked so folks know it's an I/P diary.

    •  I think that would be a mistake. It's like RKBA (3+ / 0-)
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      Flyswatterbanjo, Brit, JesseCW

      Since the NRA line has been so discredited, real live discussion has been occurring between moderates on both sides.  I'd like to see that happen with I/P.  there is much to be learned a many issues I would like see fleshed out.

      Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

      by Smoh on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 04:06:25 PM PST

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      •  And debate did what about RKBA? (1+ / 0-)
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        Sorry to be a bit crude but years and years of thoughtful debate did nothing about RKBA.

        What may have an effect at long bloody !*#$&(!@#$ last is twenty first graders and six of their teachers killed by the nutter son of a gun nut.

        And I'm not even that hopeful about it.

        I deal in facts. My friends are few but fast.

        by Farugia on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 07:05:32 PM PST

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        •  Debate affects matters behind the scenes (0+ / 0-)

          Every Progressive position on the issues is in a hopeless minority right up to the moment when it becomes the majority opinion. We have been going through this on LGBT rights for several years since the first state approvals of gay marriage, followed by repeal of DADT. Now DOMA and Prop 8 are coming before the Supreme Court, and much more is happening. Similarly for marijuana and the Drug Wars. Most of Latin America is taking up decriminalization in the wake of new laws in Colorado and Washington.

          Most NRA members disagree with NRA leadership, and the even more vicious Gun Owners of America. It is necessary for those of us who want massacre control to know where responsible gun owners stand, and what are their issues. It helps to know who the irresponsible owners are, too, and what they think they think.

          The NRA leadership used to be for universal background checks, and is now vehemently against them. The membership still approves.

          The real fault line is whether ATF can keep the results of background checks and put them into an electronic database, along with tons (literally) of other gun records now held only on paper. Most NRA members and all gun conspiracy theorists (not the same groups, but with significant overlap) object, while everybody else, including most of law enforcement, agrees that this is obvious common sense.

          Similarly, it is important to know the positions of the responsible and the irresponsible both on I/P, and to spread the word as widely as we can.

          Gerrymandra delenda est

          by Mokurai on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 11:21:26 AM PST

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