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  •  he's an excellent poster when it comes to (4+ / 0-)

    diaries--but he has zero tolerance for anything that smacks of Israel running the U.S.  Neither do I--but I'm not quite as vocal.

    He's right--the line he responded to in the diary was uncalled for.  But he was over the top w/the protocols reference.

    Hopefully he'll be back--he's one of the few posters from the I side (there aren't many of us) who have a lot to offer re: Israeli p olitics.

    •  Yep (0+ / 0-)

      I for one am grateful.   I doubt it'll happen though. Surviving three banning a would be a bit much

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 07:13:51 PM PST

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    •  The Troubador (5+ / 0-)
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      Has posted lots of excellent diaries on Israeli politics.  His coverage of the Israeli "Occupy" movement was dynamite.

      The coverage of the anti-spitting-on-little-girls movement (by several diarists) was also key.

      There has been some fine writing here about Israeli politics at dKos, some of it even by volleyboy1.

      The struggle of Republicans to try to peel off a part of the Jewish vote (and how certain organizations that lobby for Israeli interests here exploit that struggle) is certainly a topic that deserves coverage here as well.

      Nobody would think it inappropriate or racist to talk about the corrosive influence of Miami Cubans on U.S. policy toward Cuba or how stupid it was for the China Lobby to force the U.S. to recognize Taiwan as the legitimate government of all of China for thirty years.

      Nor would anyone think it inappropriate or racist to lampoon servile U.S. politicians who pander to Miami Cubans or the China Lobby.

      People here (Hill & Knowlton, for example) lobbied for Baby Doc, Suharto, Mobuto and the Saudi royal family.  Thieu colluded with Nixon (with Kissinger as the errand boy) to torpedo the Paris peace talks and throw the 1968 election to Nixon.  Nobody gives a shit if we talk discuss this untoward influence on U.S. policy.

      Why should we hold back in discussing the corrosive influence of the Israel Lobby in trying to get the U.S. to start a war with Iran on Israel's behalf?  

      This aggression will not stand, man.

      by kaleidescope on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 08:53:37 PM PST

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      •  yeah, but you wouldn't suggest that, say, (2+ / 0-)
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        Cubans own Florida, would you?  

        I have huge problems with the Israel lobby.  But this notion that they own Washington is completely over the top.   That's what the diary was suggesting.

        I'm fine talking about AIPAC's influence.  

        •  Who Suggested Jews Own the United States? (3+ / 0-)
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          I would say that Miami Cubans have inordinate and corrosive influence on U.S. policy vis a vis Cuba and that, to a certain extent, they "own it", U.S. policy toward Cuba, that is.

          The American Jewish community isn't as united on Israel as the Miami Cuban community was on Cuba policy.  I don't think there's a Miami Cuban equivalent of Noam Chomsky or Amy Goodman.  

          But the pro-Likud-Israel Lobby here is just as influential on U.S. policy toward Israel as the Miami Cubans were on U.S. policy toward Cuba.  

          With even more disastrous results for the U.S.  

          This aggression will not stand, man.

          by kaleidescope on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 09:17:28 PM PST

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          •  suggestions that Israel controls aspects of our (1+ / 0-)
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            government like a puppeteer (trust me--it shows up on this site quite a bit) goes a lot further than saying 'AIPAC' or the Israel Lobby' has undue influence on our politicians.

            The Troubadour's diary was long and I had no issue with it (except for a lot of the politics) aside from the last line.  That line was put there for a reason--as I posted elsewhere.  He knows EXACTLY what he's doing.

          •  The point of the diary that VB was commenting... (3+ / 0-)
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            ... on was this:

            The reason for this disproportionate, obsessive focus on Israel with no regard for U.S. troops in Afghanistan? Simple: AIPAC and the "pro-Israel" lobby's ill-founded concern about the Hagel nomination coupled by the lobby's disproportionate influence on our representatives to echo that concern.
            ... and this...
            But when the hawkish, "pro-Israel" lobby in America can influence our representatives to sound as if they – well – are representing Israel's citizens more than our own?
            VB called the diarist on those statements in his own way.  The statements needed to be called out. He responded with two quotes which refuted the diarists thesis:
            From the Jerusalem Post: But what’s even more confusing is how quickly so many Jewish groups – especially AIPAC – have caved on Hagel. The same man who said that Israel didn’t need to “keep Palestinians caged up like animals,” and famously spoke of “the Jewish lobby’s” intimidation of lawmakers on Capitol Hill has been handed a get-out-of-political-purgatory-free card by many who claim to be Israel’s foremost defenders.
            and
            The Daily Beast: Notably absent from the cast of critics: the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, Washington’s largest and most well funded pro-Israel lobby.

            The powerful lobby, which doesn’t typically shy away from a fight, has decided to sit this one out, say several House and Senate staff members, as well as some pro-Israel activists in Washington.

            “Staffers and members are trying to find out what AIPAC thinks of Hagel, and we are not getting anything,” one Senate Republican staff member said. Another Senate staff member said, “AIPAC will be sitting this one out.”

            AIPAC spokesman Marshall Wittman didn’t comment directly on its strategy regarding Hagel’s nomination. “Our position remains the same as it always has been,” said Wittman. “AIPAC does not take positions on presidential nominations.”

            A comparison was made by VB to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

            The diarists supporters claimed VB was calling them anti-semitic, took exception, dropped a bag of donuts on VB and he's gone.

            I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

            by Hey338Too on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 09:41:31 PM PST

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