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  •  Just want to clarify... (2+ / 0-)
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    leftynyc, jeff in nyc

    I don't necessarily think that our government, as a whole, bends over backwards for Israel... just certain members of Congress seem to, at times, without full consideration for America's interests.  This is surely something they feel is important to do for thier voters-- but also gives Bibi the idea that he can pressure Obama by going around him and appealing to Congress directly.  I'm certainly no expert on relations with Israel... just an impression I have.

    Also, I didn't really expect you to spend time searching for quotes when I could have done so myself... just thought you might have a particular conversation in mind that pissed you off.  Guess it is more of a systemic, ongoing problem.

    I've certainly been aware of tensions that so often arise here when we talk about Israel.  I've often been puzzled by the anger that erupts, as with volleyboy, when the quotes he used as examples didn't seem all that horrible to me.  Bottom line is, that I'm trying to understand.

    I see now, that the frustration  builds over time and boils over at some point.  I will look up the diary you mentioned from several years ago, and will go back and read some of the comments in the diary that angered volleyboy1.

    Thanks for helping me understand...

    •  I've learned (1+ / 0-)
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      juca

      that things simply sound different to different people.  Volley is a good friend of mine and feels very passionately about this issue while others merely look at it as foreign policy.  

      I have seen many, many comments that have left me wondering if the poster either really means what they're saying, whether they're just looking for a fight or whether they've considered the history involved.  Everyone comes from their own life's experiences and when those clash - the sparks fly.

      I hope you do find that diary - a lot of thought was put into it and the comments were mostly incredibly supportive and helpful to everyone in better understanding the situation.

      Peace to you and yours.

      •  I think it is easy to sound insensitive when we (1+ / 0-)
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        leftynyc

        don't fully understand where people are coming from.

        So far, I've gone back to read Troubador's diary-- I avoided it the other day because I knew, just from the title, that the comments would get ugly.

        I found the Republican questioning of Hagel so offensive, that I probably wouldn't have thought  twice about the diary, had I read it a couple of days ago.  I do understand why it was offensive to you and Volley.  I'm going to look through the comments, too (sigh).

        I will look for the older diary--- I would very much like to read it.  

        •  I found the diary (1+ / 0-)
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          juca

          It now has over 1600 comments.  I was part of the group of people who published it.

          http://www.dailykos.com/...

          •  Thanks so much, leftynyc. (1+ / 0-)
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            poco

            I remember the diary now that I see it again, and had rec'd it back then.  I know I didn't follow all of the links, though, so I'm taking the time to look at many of them now.

            I see what you mean about some of the awful comments that have been made!  What I see so far is that there are flashes of anger and insensitivity, some ignorance about Israel, and some users who just plain like to poke the beehive with a stick on various issues.  Some anti-semitism to be sure.

            I'm going to study this a bit more, and try to be more sensitive to it in the future.  I admit that when tempers start to flare in certain threads, I often flee, and if others do this too, that leaves just a few people to go after the abusers.  I'm not making excuses, though, maybe in the future I will stick around and help out.  

            I've noticed in going over some of these old threads, that I can quickly lose track of what is actually being said, or implied, because I don't follow the I/P issues as closely as some others do.  It might go over my head when someone I've never heard of is quoted and I don't realize that the very mention of that particular author is offensive to some people here.  So sometimes I just don't feel qualified to open my mouth.  

            Anyway, I appreciate the fact that you've taken your time to enlighten me!  I hope we can all work to avoid losing more people to frustrations like this.

        •  By the way (1+ / 0-)
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          juca

          The original group of signers was only around 10 of us - all those other names asked to be added on in solidarity after reading the diary.  I'm very thankful that you're checking it out.

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