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  •  Still, don't blame the "Fox Addicts" (11+ / 0-)

    for Fox News.

    The beliefs are real. The drivers behind these beliefs are virtually 100% artificial.

    It works by inducing exogenous paranoia. "They Are Out To Get You !!"

    Think of the Germans for the 15 years after WW I and you get the pattern -- fear of Slavs, communism, Jews, homosexuals, Baptists, gypsies, anything-and-everything had a scape goat.

    Get it rolling so the lies become communal delusions, it works.

    "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

    by bontemps2012 on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 06:58:19 AM PST

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    •  Even with the Germans (2+ / 0-)

      there was a grain of truth beneath a mountain of lies and distortion. The fact is that the victorious European Allies were out to cripple and punish Germany in the aftermath of WWI. That's why the Treaty of Versailles held such a prominent place in RW German propaganda during the inter war period.

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 11:02:33 AM PST

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      •  That's why the Tea Party is so creepy. (4+ / 0-)

        Germany was in dire, dire straits after WWI.  It's always been the CW that such straits are necessary to send people hounding after numerous boogymen.  This country has not had that sort of collapse, and all these people are available for exploitation anyway -they even think there's a war against Christians.

        The force of hatred and paranoia is strong.

        •  A key divergence (3+ / 0-)

          but there is a point of convergence as well. Post WWI Germany was not just in a state of military and economic collapse but social collapse as well. The onrush of modernity was seen as destroying the familiar social and cultural patterns of the past. There was a pervasive sense of displacement, alienation and victimization.

          Consider that the "Tea Party" demographic is concentrated in exurban and rural portions of the country. People in these areas identify with a mythic memory of a small town, agrarian America that was in the process of passing away when I was born. This is a profound social and cultural shift and it's hardly a surprise that a significant segment of the population would feel displaced, alienated and victimized by it.  

          Nothing human is alien to me.

          by WB Reeves on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 01:25:33 PM PST

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          •  Hitler's biggest support came from peasants (0+ / 0-)

            While Germany between the wars had world-beating industrial corporations, its agriculture was little different from how it had been in the 19th century.  It was labor-intensive and unproductive, with the land area per farmer comparable with backward countries such as Ireland, Poland or Romania.  Combined with the unequal distribution of farmland in Germany (much of it in the north and east was monopolized by the Junkers), this meant that most German farming families had to subsist on just a few hectares of land each.  Not surprisingly, Hitler's promises to expand Germany's Lebensraum were music to the ears of German peasants.

            In Hitler's first cabinet, the post of Minister of Agriculture was the only one connected to the economy to be held by a card-carrying Nazi (Walther Darré).  A new class of hereditary family farms (the Erbhöfe) were set up which couldn't be foreclosed, and food prices were fixed artificially high by the Reichsnährstand.  As a result, urban German workers under the Nazis had to spend almost half their income on food. In spite of this (plus efforts to modernize German agriculture), Germany still couldn't be made self-sufficient in food, which is why the Nazis looked to solve the problem by annexing and depopulating Eastern Europe.

            The Nazis were no doubt also confirmed in their belief that Germany needed more Lebensraum by the observation that millions of Germans (and other Europeans) had sought Lebensraum on an individual basis by emigrating to the United States.

      •  Hitler came on as Left Wing + Racism (0+ / 0-)

        party.

        His 1919 formula put it to "25 Points."

        Sturmabteilung (SA) -- the Brown Shirts -- were working class guys. 3,000,000 of them enrolled, paying dues when Hitler got to power.

        The SA is a model for "Tea Party" bxllshit. A fake all the way.

        When Hitler got in, he went to his true colors. Industrialists/the military/banking -- all of them lined up with him.

        Then he ran up a huge deficit. An unpayable debt from overreaching his his full-emplyment stimulus programs. That was part of what forced him to go to war.

        He had no other way to continue in power except to go over to a command economy.  

        "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

        by bontemps2012 on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 03:33:37 PM PST

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        •  Hitler wanted war from the very beginning (1+ / 0-)
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          And the civilian work-creation programs in Nazi Germany were actually quite small-scale, and mostly inherited from the previous administration.  The stimulus was overwhelmingly directed towards rearmament, and most of Germany's debt was run up either directly importing raw materials for armaments, or as a result of the overvalued Reichsmark (which made these raw material imports cheaper, but at the cost of pricing German goods out of a lot of export markets).

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