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  •  This will be a major roadblock against those who (14+ / 0-)

    wish to try to skirt the law..  Let's hope enough get on board on this.

    •  I hope so---too. (0+ / 0-)

      I will never understand why those who want more guns want fewer laws?

      Does this actually make sense to people?

      Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

      by lyvwyr101 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 05:55:54 PM PST

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    •  That said, 20 years is far too long (6+ / 0-)

      Sentences are already way too harsh across the country.

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 06:09:02 PM PST

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      •  well then, (0+ / 0-)

        people should not do the crime. why lower sentence terms?

        mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

        by wewantthetruth on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 07:11:36 PM PST

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        •  Lock 'em up and throw away the key, eh? (2+ / 0-)
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          So much for justice, punishment fitting the crime, any attempt at rehabilitation... Guess it's better to waste every criminal's life doing gratuitously long time than let some get the chance to go clean.

          Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

          by Simplify on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 08:45:34 PM PST

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          •  Yeah better to go after the law abiding gun owner (0+ / 0-)

            rather than have harsh sentences on those who are the ones who actually abuse the 2A, and actually commit the  crimes with guns, and  basically.... the actual people we are supposed to be targeting with all of these "discussions".

            Yeah that would be mean and cruel and not fair.  


        •  Racism. (2+ / 0-)
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          At every level our system of justice is racist in its effects, whatever its intentions. White people and people of color commit crimes at the same rates but people of color -- and especially black, Latino/a, and native people -- are more likely to be arrested. Amongst arrestees, these folks are more likely to be charged. Amongst those charged, more likely to be found guilty. Amongst people found guilty, more likely to be sentenced to prison.
          This new 20 year felony isn't going to be applied to tea partners with criminal records stockpiling guns in the basements of their farmhouses. It's going to send more black, Latino/a, and native people to prison for longer, further decimating the families and communities that have already been hit hard by decades of "war on crime."
          We don't need any more harsh sentences. We need to rethink our justice system from its very foundations.
          (Check out for some ideas I support.)

      •  A proper answer to this requires addressing (0+ / 0-)

        the whole concept of the prison system, which would require a diary post in and of itself to even begin the discussion.  For what it's worth, I think the current system is a failure that only breeds hardened criminals and I am surprised it hasn't produced loads of domestic terrorists.

    •  I am a little confused as to how it will help. (1+ / 0-)
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      I thought all along it was illegal to transfer a gun to someone who you suspect as being a prohibited person.  I know that filling out a 4473 improperly is perjury.  Promoting, Directing and facilitating should fall under racketeering.  The best thing that can be done is to start making arrests of people who fail background checks  for gun transfers.  Its an easy prosecution as you have a handwritten form with a wet ink signature.  The FFL holder will doubtless testify in court.  It should be an open and shut case.  Prosecutorial resources are not being applied to it however.  

      Under capitalism man exploits man, under communism the roles are reversed.

      by DavidMS on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 07:32:30 PM PST

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      •  Failing a background check does not necessarilly (0+ / 0-)

        mean someone has committed a crime.  For starters, the NICS system, like any other system, contains errors and mistakes are made. Arrest for failing to pass an NICS background check would be a denial of due process.

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