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  •  Those sales were already illegal. (8+ / 0-)

    When the FFLs reported them, as they are required to do, they were instructed to do, and say, nothing.

    Are you actually suggesting that the law enforces be required to follow the laws they are enforcing?

    Perish the thought!

    Back to your place, peon!

    --Sannon

    "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
    "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

    by Leftie Gunner on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 06:14:41 PM PST

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    •  I'm not sure they were required to report (2+ / 0-)
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      they were suspicious, but not clearly illegal from the dealers' perspective.  And no, it doesn't look like the law would change that.

      the purpose of the second amendment is to promote a well-regulated militia, in the same sense that the purpose of the first amendment is to promote a well-informed electorate.

      by happymisanthropy on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 06:24:48 PM PST

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    •  Last time I looked, (1+ / 0-)
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      entrapment still = dirty practices.

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      by BlackSheep1 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 07:05:46 PM PST

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      •  I do not thing that word (0+ / 0-)

        means what you think it means.

        Granted, I may be wrong as I'm not entirely clear on the circumstances of F&F. However, no coercion was involved. Opportunity is not coercion. Simply saying to FFL's (let these guns go) does not mean that the con buying them or the guy buying them for the con, is a victim of entrapment. Kinda like a cop posing as a drug dealer isn't entrapping the victim by saying "hey..wanna score some meth?"

        That said, yes, entrapment is a problem we should do what we can to minimize and rectify. It's one of the big problems with relying on "snitches" to convince people to do something. Saying "hey, wanna buy some meth" isn't entrapment saying "hey...buy some meth or I'll go shoot your mom." is.

        Again, as I understand what happened in F&F it wasn't entrapment, as much as opportunity.

        Nicht durch Zorn, sondern durch Lachen tödtet man. ~Nietzsche

        by somewierdguy on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 08:51:28 PM PST

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    •  Did I just see a tag team? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

      by oldpotsmuggler on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 07:24:30 PM PST

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      •  No, you saw a conversation. (1+ / 0-)
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        It just wasn't the kind of conversion you're used to seeing... The kind where everyone agrees with you.

        --Shannon

        "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
        "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

        by Leftie Gunner on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:38:30 AM PST

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