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  •  Love Canal (12+ / 0-)

    I am reminded of what happened at Love Canal.

    Seems to me that was an EPA sized disaster for just a neighborhood.

    What happens when there is a seepage zone the size of the Marcellus Shale Bed?

    Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Kurt Vonnegut

    by ToKnowWhy on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 02:16:54 PM PST

    •  Exactly. Creating NO chemicals is the answer. (4+ / 0-)
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      So, charge more for NG-- WhoTFCares? If we don't have the resources without contamination, we simply do not have the resources- find another energy source.

      The day is coming when a single carrot, freshly observed, will set off a revolution. Paul Cezanne

      by MeToo on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 03:04:51 PM PST

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    •  My theory (2+ / 0-)
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      is that they are fracking so much, the next time an asteroid comes too close, it'll pull the surface right off the planet. How's that for CT?

    •  Interesting differences from the (0+ / 0-)

      experience we had when my husband was hired out of grad school (MS Env Eng, Drexel '79) by Hooker chemicals to supervise the 200 waste streams the plant produced. He was told, and I believe saw some documents, about the sale.

      First, the canal was dug in a very unusual clay, which did not drain. When the city pressured the company to sell the land, Alan was told the school was built and they just wanted the extra land to pave over for parking.  Hooker put more of the clay over the site and included a clause in the bill of sale that the clay barrier could not be broken.

      Years later, a developer approached the city to use the land for the HUD housing. They transferred the property. He built the houses with basements. People who lived in NF knew where the dumps were. Like our upstairs neighbor who had lived there. The dimmest bulb anywhere. The neighborhoods near the chemical plants had long been in the habit of repainting exteriors every 2 years because it disintegrated in that time. We had worked our way through his grad school painting houses. Standard repaint was 8 years.

      Weird. That clay is one that is preferred in modern dumps under the liners because it is really impervious to many things. Alan had a lot of support from management to get the plant up to EPA specs. They were totally under the EPA and media microscope, it was a no other option situation.

      What was frustrating was how much the employees, mostly union, fought the safety gear. Asst VP finally gave Alan the power to fire employees on the spot for not wearing gear. The first was a fairly senior union rep. The second not so high, but no newbie. He didn't have the power to fire a guy who loaded those hazardous chemicals into train cars while smoking pot. Did report it though. His campaign to stop employees from taking home 2x4s from temporary scaffolding resulted, when we left, being awarded 'the last piece of 2x4 removed from Hooker Chemicals'.

      Meanwhile, he learned of the many other ways the company had polluted as freely as any of the others on Chemical row, poisoning the lakes, air...  Also have learned since their business was heavily built on patents stolen from Germany at the end of WWI. Germany had been the world leader in chemical business. When Hooker came up with the patents, no one tried to prosecute.

      I find a lot of irony in the one time they actually did something close to reasonable (stopped clock) they got nailed, big time.

      "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

      by Ginny in CO on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:59:27 PM PST

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      •  Hidden dumps (0+ / 0-)

        How many more places like Love Canal exist undiscovered?

        My mind reels at the thought that one could appear anywhere in the Zone and remain undetected until the cancer and birth defects begin.

        Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Kurt Vonnegut

        by ToKnowWhy on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 03:57:57 AM PST

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