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  •  I think there is a way to do this (0+ / 0-)

    but the Administration has to let Congress know the details and track the results -- successes, failures, collateral damage. We don't necessarily need to know everything as citizens but I do think Congress should know. And they've got to have stringent rules for deciding who to target, whether to give them the opportunity to challenge the terrorist designation or turn themselves in, how they decide capture is not feasible (weren't renditions captures?), how to avoid/minimize civilian injuries/deaths, and what to do when they screw up (target the wrong person).  

    It's an awesome power for a government to have -- it should be used sparingly and exceedingly carefully. And it should never be used inside the borders of U.S.

    The civil rights, gay rights and women's movements, designed to allow others to reach for power previously grasped only by white men, have made a real difference, and the outlines of 21st century America have emerged. -- Paul West of LA Times

    by LiberalLady on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 08:00:57 PM PST

    •  Shouldn't FISA courts be involved at least? I see (0+ / 0-)

      no role being indicated for any branch of government but the heavy load falls upon the Executive in terms of handling decision making process regarding whom to target, when and why.  If anyone is informed in Congress, via participation on an intelligence committee or DoD committee, they're not talking, and I'm sure they would argue they have nothing to say, due to classified nature of the program. But they, if they want the program to continue, will find their surrogates to argue that, or points that together work towards that end.  If they have doubts, their surrogates will argue in similar ways to sharpen up the critirea and involve more than just Executive branch members.

      Here's my question that goes to the staff in the ground control centers.  Is it clear that they are operating as military staff, military contractors, or maybe as CIA/black ops?  It's the people pulling the trigger in these drone operations centers which I worry are being put in a pretty difficult moral connundrum.  If our drone operators feel they have reason to doubt they are being given 'lawful orders', that there are too many innocents could end up as 'collateral damage' in taking out indicated 'terrorists', is at all probable that they could refuse to pull the trigger on the release of Hellcat missiles on a target like a wedding party, arguing it's not a lawful order, maybe citing the Geneva Conventions, any human rights treaties between the US and participating nation, etc.? Without ending up court martialed, jailed, etc? I suspect there is the potential we'll have concerns regarding people claiming they were just following orders.

      Someday, presumably after deciding the Space Treaties can be set aside, maybe after terrorits attack NASA, we may have satellite systems put in place that can zap any person on the surface of the globe in moments.  Perhaps these will be automated to a degree that the software makes finally targeting adjustments and selections. We do need to have our national morals and priorities set before anything like this develops.

      When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

      by antirove on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 11:38:12 PM PST

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    •  Great scott (0+ / 0-)
      "We don't necessarily need to know everything as citizens."
      Yeah, knowing more about all the people that are being murdered would make everyone pretty uncomfortable. Best just subtly ignore the whole thing.
      "whether to give them the opportunity to challenge the terrorist designation or turn themselves in"
      Why would anyone turn themselves in to a government that tortures people and locks them away forever without trial?

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