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  •  He *said* he had PTSD (2+ / 0-)
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    Thing is, PTSD is not the likeliest cause of his being taken in for psych eval twice. Nor is PTSD the likeliest cause of his actions at the shooting range. From what bits are emerging in the news I'd guess a likelier cause of what happened is schizophrenia. This situation may be a good demonstration of the "correlation does not equal causation" standard.  Schizophrenia tends to manifest in young adulthood.  Thus it is going to appear simultaneously with the prime years of military service. Is it PTSD, or emerging symptoms of schizophrenia?  A whole lot more information is needed to say in this case, and a whole lot more research to say about the general population.  It doesn't help that the stresses of combat may possibly exacerbate other underlying mental health issues that might have been "dormant" otherwise.

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    by Catte Nappe on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 05:25:15 PM PST

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    •  Indeed, having PTSD (3+ / 0-)
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      doesn't make you immune from other mental disorders. Obviously someone who threatens to kill his family needs serious and immediate help and should definitely not have access to guns.

      PTSD is just a red herring.

    •  The same newspaper reported that at the time of (3+ / 0-)
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      the arrest in which he claimed to be suffering from that condition he clearly had been drinking. I think Catte Nappe's idea deserves consideration.

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      by BlackSheep1 on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 08:13:53 PM PST

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    •  FWIW (1+ / 0-)
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      His brother in law also reported:

      "He's recently diagnosed with PTSD … he's been acting a little weird from that," the husband said, adding that he believes Routh had guns in the truck.

      Note the word 'recently'.

      http://www.khou.com/...

      •  His lawyer: (1+ / 0-)
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        One of his attorneys said Wednesday that he and his co-counsel will soon ask a judge for an independent mental evaluation of their client.

        Shay Isham said that his request is “imminent” and that he expects state District Judge Jason Cashon to appoint a doctor to examine Routh right away. Isham said the doctor will probably report back to the judge on Routh’s mental state, then share that information with defense attorneys and prosecutors.

        Although Routh’s family members and some officials have said Routh, who served in Iraq, suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder, Isham said he has no official knowledge of that, “although I don’t doubt it.”

        “Here’s what I know,” Isham said. “I’ve heard the family speak of PTSD, I’ve heard our local county officials speak of PTSD. I know that the Tuesday before the murders, he was with doctors at the VA, and the week before that he was at inpatient treatment at the VA. He was being treated for mental health issues, but whether he had been diagnosed with PTSD, I don’t know that.”

        http://www.dallasnews.com/...

        We'll presumably know more eventually, but I'm still holding to the opinion that more is going on here than just PTSD.

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        by Catte Nappe on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 03:03:30 PM PST

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        •  Thank you. (1+ / 0-)
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          And on a side note, it is also true that illnesses are not always accurately diagnosed.

          Although there has been much more research in recent years, we still do not know a lot about the brain.

          Entertwine that with consciousness, personality, psychology, sociology, etc., and these diagnoses can be very complicated.

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