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  •  B-b-but someone got banned over that nonsense (4+ / 0-)
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    And, they didn't even mention the disorder in their Diary -- or refer to it in any way.

    They reported strictly from mainstream news.

    Well, I'm a mainstream planet.



    Denial is a drug.

    by Pluto on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:50:10 PM PST

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    •  Pluto (5+ / 0-)

      I didn't read the diary that caused the banning. I don't like people to be banned and think we need to try to avoid that as much as we can. But, the issue that was addressed because of the banned diary is valid. This doesn't un-ban the user.

      "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

      by high uintas on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 08:02:47 PM PST

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      •  It does if your posse is also the whiney ass (5+ / 0-)

        ...titty baby who set Marco's hair on fire.



        Denial is a drug.

        by Pluto on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 08:09:54 PM PST

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        •  You might want to go to DaNang's diary (2+ / 0-)
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          and see that it was published to Dkos Military Veterans and republished by Military Community Members of Daily Kos. Are you calling them WATBs?

          I know who you mean, but the impact of the diary was mostly those two groups. Not RKBA.

          "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

          by high uintas on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 08:15:51 PM PST

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          •  Co-mingled and overlapping in spots (4+ / 0-)
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            It was cowboy-style retribution for Kestral. Yanking Marcos' chain over a Diary non-event out of revenge. Fucking up the community.



            Denial is a drug.

            by Pluto on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 09:32:38 PM PST

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            •  speaking for myself (6+ / 0-)

              i wish you would separate that co-mingling. i'm certainly no rkba'er, and i very enthusiastically rec'd danang's diary. in fact, i think danang's diary furthered the point that i keep making, that blaming mental illness for gun violence is a distraction and misdirection from the real problem, which is guns.

              The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

              by Laurence Lewis on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 12:41:22 AM PST

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              •  I completely agree about mental illness (2+ / 0-)
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                ...being a red herring.

                DaNang was very very very very proud that he and Ottary Scribe tricked Marcos' and got someone banned for writing a diary that didn't even mention PTSD.

                The Diary you rec'd was a depraved sickness unto this earth. It was fly-paper for damaged people who demand their guns with their big swinging dicks, while seeking endless revenge for Kestral's banning by sending bully gangs to the help desk with fake semper fi outrage stories to take out pacifists. Death threats in the real world have ensued.

                What the hell did you think was going on at Daily Kos? Lost in the cozy back room bubble, are you?

                Hundreds of eyes are reading my words right now.

                And yours.

                A lot rests on your next comment.



                Denial is a drug.

                by Pluto on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 02:19:18 AM PST

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                •  first of all (3+ / 0-)

                  i am not part of any backroom that has anything at all to do with administrative policy or site rules or enforcement. that is above my pay grade. so anything i say is my personal opinion, and i know no more than anyone else about the banning. apparently, quite a bit less.

                  but i don't see anything in danang's comment that seems to reference the banning. i have seen danang make the same point in other diary threads that (afaik) had nothing to do with the banning.

                  the diary i rec'd was absolutely valid. i'm also sick of seeing gun violence blamed on ptsd or mental illness, and i'm sick of seeing those suffering from ptsd or mental illness made collective scapegoats for gun violence.

                  The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                  by Laurence Lewis on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 02:33:53 AM PST

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                  •  If you are not keeping up (1+ / 0-)
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                    ...with what is really going on here -- why are you weighing in?

                    Things are not what they seem. This community is a sucker for the tear-jerker flim-flam man with a good backstory.

                    Here we go again.



                    Denial is a drug.

                    by Pluto on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 02:55:42 AM PST

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                    •  i'm weighing in (2+ / 0-)
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                      because i thought danang made an important point, and i saw no reason to riff off it or snark off it. ptsd and mental illness are not funny, and people with ptsd or mental illness should not be made the scapegoats for gun violence.

                      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                      by Laurence Lewis on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 03:04:26 AM PST

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                  •  Good god (1+ / 0-)
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                    You've jumped the shark.

                    ....people with ptsd or mental illness should not be made the scapegoats for gun violence.
                    WTF does that even mean?

                    Where? When? How?

                    All anyone has to do is whine -- and you fall for it and think it's all about them.

                    Get hold of yourself, Turkana. Never in this whole nationwide gun drama -- was PTSD ever a player. Did the President mention PTSD? Did congress? Did the news stories about 12/14?

                    I've covered the murder-suicide beat since 2008, day after day, and I have rarely heard it mentioned except in certain academic papers.

                    This place is filled with drama queeens.

                    It's hopeless.



                    Denial is a drug.

                    by Pluto on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 03:24:29 AM PST

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                    •  as i wrote in december (0+ / 0-)

                      long before this latest meta incident, and before the murders that led to it:

                      No one knows what causes someone to take a gun and start shooting people. No one ever will. Every time there is a mass shooting, news reporters dig into the personal history of the murderer, as if something in the biography will provide a clue. It never does. Mental illness, abusive childhoods, collapsed relationships, setbacks at school or work, and any number of other factors often are found, but none provides the answer. Hundreds of millions of people have suffered from mental illness, abusive childhoods, collapsed relationships, setbacks at school or work, and every other form of stress or trauma without deciding to kill people. Why do these individuals become killers? Bob Geldof's answer remains the best explanation, because there is no explanation.

                      The one thing all mass shooters have in common is guns. That's it. Mental illness, abusive childhoods, collapsed relationships, setbacks at school or work, and every other form of stress or trauma take place in every nation in the world, but of all the developed democracies only in the United States do we have more than 10,000 gun-related deaths each year. Every other developed democracy has some form of effective gun control. The United States doesn't. Those looking for other explanations have reasons for looking for other explanations. People in the other developed democracies watch the same movies and play the same video games, but they don't shoot each other at anything even approaching the rate that Americans do. It's about guns. When that silicon chip inside the head of people in other developed democracies gets switched to overload, they can't just go grab a gun and start shooting. People in the United States can.

                      danang's point about ptsd fits that exactly.

                      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                      by Laurence Lewis on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 03:32:31 AM PST

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                    •  Yup (1+ / 0-)
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                      This place is filled with drama queeens.

                      We are often so identified with whatever thoughts we may be having that we don’t realize the thoughts are a commentary on reality, and not reality itself. -- Gangaji

                      by Mnemosyne on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 01:44:06 PM PST

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                •  And let me add (2+ / 0-)
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                  For only the SEVENTH time in FIVE years at Daily Kos -- a perfectly innocent Diary was dissappeared from the database.

                  For the love of god -- Goatse and Two Girls One Cup can linger on the Recent Diary List for 12 painful hours of community distress -- but this Diary had to disappear -- because it was about revenge against a pacifist -- where no offense had been committed.

                  The evidence of this sick act had to be hidden from the eyes of this community. Only seven times in five years did this ever happen.

                  It was a beautiful piece of writing entwined with the poetry of Kenneth Patchen.

                  As a result, dangerous people have been activated and emboldened.

                  Where is everybody?

                  Can you smell the stink of fear?

                  Like at the very beginning with the Nephew -- I said my piece. God help this community.



                  Denial is a drug.

                  by Pluto on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 02:45:57 AM PST

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                  •  i tangle with the rkba'ers all the time (2+ / 0-)
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                    so do a lot of people. they strongly disagree with me on gun issues, and i'm sure some of them just plain don't like me, but none has ever hinted at threatening me. i don't think i've ever seen any of them threaten anyone, and i know (not from any backroom that i'm not a part of anyway, but as an observant member of this community), that threats from anyone are not tolerated.

                    i saw the diary in question, and as much as i agree with the diarist on gun issues, i thought it was in extremely poor taste. i wasn't aware it had been pulled and he banned until someone who is not part of staff mentioned it- a "btw, did you know"- in an unrelated kosmail, a couple days later.

                    but back to my point- danang's diary made an important point, and i saw nothing in it related to the banning. there may be a lot going on that i'm not aware of, but that diary stood on its own.

                    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                    by Laurence Lewis on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 03:02:37 AM PST

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                  •  People who know our history (0+ / 0-)

                    know that kestrel9000 and I did not get along in the slightest, but it seems to me Pluto you're telling the story of something very ugly that happened here, something that I missed entirely.

                    I've followed your links and looked through kestrel's comment history to try to figure it out, but the only thing I'm  seeing  in hiddens is this.

                    I sure would like to know more about the diary that led to kestrel9000's banning.

                    When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

                    by litho on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 03:12:10 AM PST

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                    •  I don't know anything (1+ / 0-)
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                      ...about Kestral's banning. Never saw it.

                      I'm four chapters ahead of that.



                      Denial is a drug.

                      by Pluto on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 03:28:50 AM PST

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                      •  Then I can't even find the table of contents... nt (2+ / 0-)
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                        When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

                        by litho on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 03:41:04 AM PST

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                        •  K9K was banned for being over the top (1+ / 0-)
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                          insulting and letting his temper rule him. I was afraid that would happen one day, it did.

                          The diary that Pluto is defending is gone and I can't speak to what was in it, I didn't read it. But, that diarist is the only person I ever sent a message to the desk about and in no relation to K9K.

                          She had gotten so personal with her insults to another very loved and respected Kossack that she called him an ape, his ancestors were called killers. It was over the top.

                          This is a meta revenge diary and to me it's too much. Veterans and the issue of PTSD are not fodder for her game.

                          "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

                          by high uintas on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 08:17:57 AM PST

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                          •  Thank you (1+ / 0-)
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                            kestrel9000 and I had our differences and one truly epic fight, but he was a longstanding member of this community and it's sad to see him banned.  I know that bannings nowadays are not always permanent, and I would hope that after cooling down he would petition kos for reinstatement.

                            As for the other thing, I can't really offer an opinion.  I have no idea what happened, and from your description of it I don't really have much interest in learning too more.

                            When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

                            by litho on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 02:49:16 PM PST

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                  •  You have fallen into CT land. (0+ / 0-)

                    Come back out, please.

                    "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

                    by high uintas on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 08:25:24 AM PST

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