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  •  Ecumenical Blues (13+ / 0-)

    I was brought up in the LC-MS and was always taught that "We're Not As Crazy as Wisconsin Synod".  Not sure if that's still true anymore.

    I still belong to it, although I am frustrated by some of my church's positions and get into occasional arguments with my pastor.  Perhaps I would be better off switching to ELCA; but I stay partly because it's home and partly out of German Lutheran stubbronness.

    But I think the reason why Pastor Morris got in trouble is because the Missouri Synod has a knee-jerk suspicion of anything resembling Ecumenicalism.  We have this terrible fear that if we stand with a person of another faith, we are somehow compromising our own.

    Partly, I think, this comes from our history.  The Missouri Synod was founded by Lutherans who fled Saxony for the United States because they objected to the State Religion.  Now the State Religion of Saxony was Lutheranism, but it was a flavor of Lutheranism that was heavily-influenced by Enlightenment philosophy and other branches of Protestantism.

    You would think that this would have given us a suspicion of State Religions and a healthy appreciation of the Separation of Church and State.  No such luck.  But it has given us a dislike of "Modernist" theology and a vehement opposition to any "watering-down" of our own doctrines.

    I don't say this isolatonist attitude is a good thing; it's one of the aspects of my church that I find frustrating.  But there is a reason behind it.

    "All the World's a Stage and Everyone's a Critic." -- Mervyn Alquist

    by quarkstomper on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 03:32:17 PM PST

    •  Thank you (2+ / 0-)
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      Its good to see someone who actually knows what they are talking about chime in here.

      There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

      by slothlax on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 03:35:06 PM PST

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    •  Whatever the reason (8+ / 0-)

      there is every reason to condemn bigotry relating to "standing with a person of another faith." You choose to participate in the tenets of the religion so it may make sense to you. But to a lot of us out here it's insensitive at best, and for those who choose to suspect the worst, bigotry.

      It's easier to rule a group of people by appealing to bigotry. Every religion has one or another variation on this theme, and they all have rules and tenets that prevent the followers from questioning the hierarchy. But in the final analysis, it's all just an excuse to aggrandize one group ("the chosen") at the expense of another ("the fallen").

    •  That's part of the story.... (8+ / 0-)

      And it perhaps sets the stage for how far the LCMS has devolved since it's founding.  But, in my mind as a born and raised, once and never again LCMS Lutheran, the stage was truly set thanks to the perpetual state of doctrinal war that came about thanks to the Seminex fiasco and the Preus brothers teaching the LCMS how to play political hardball and how to manipulate synodical conventions.  Once 'liberal' became such a dirty, heretical word that could end careers, well, it was only a matter of time before it was used as weapons against fellow Lutherans for slights, real or imagined.  And so now the LCMS, politically, continues to operate a culture of fear that any perceived misstep is a weapon of the devil.

      Combine that with a doctrinal superiority complex that generates a subset of pastors that want to turn every disagreement into their own Diet of Worms where they can proudly declare 'Hier Stehe Ich!', well, I can't help but feel a combination of immense pity and intense loathing for the LCMS.

      One things for sure.  When I get to 'Heaven', I'll be sure to be extra quiet around the LCMS mansion so they can continue to believe they're the only ones there.

      •  Ahhh, the truth comes out. (3+ / 0-)
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        All too frequently when human nature gets focused through lens of religion it takes purity politics to really distort things.

        At the height of the manipulated takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention in the late '70s, there was a famous incident when Dr. Jess Moody, Pastor of the powerhouse First Baptist Church of Van Nuys and no liberal, confronted one of the uber-conservative hotheads. He told him there were no sides in the SBC--the SBC is a circle. Unmollified the guy said "Yeah, and we're on the inside and you're on the outside!" And there was widespread manipulation of the electoral process to achieve the takeover.

        (That sound you are hearing is a paradigm being shifted at Warp Factor Infinity using no clutch.)

        by homogenius on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 04:54:23 AM PST

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