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  •  yeah (9+ / 0-)

    mb had a similarly terrifying reason, many years ago. i would regulate so that people have to prove they have a valid reason. in my book, you and he both easily would have met the standard.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 12:21:33 AM PST

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    •  The problem with that is then you are asking (8+ / 0-)

      people who've experienced a trauma to re-live that trauma. I think guns as self defense are, for the most part, an ineffective solution. But I don't feel like it's my place to take away the option. I do think, however, that there should be some meaningful requirements for gun ownership, and that if you have a gun for self-defense, and you haven't passed safety requirements, then odds are your gun is not for self-defense so much as an illusion of safety that will potentially end very badly.

      •  if they're buying the gun for self-protection (6+ / 0-)

        then they're reliving it, already.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 03:47:48 AM PST

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      •  I'd say that guns for self-defense are (2+ / 0-)
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        ONE potential answer among a wide range of potential tools (and knowledge), but it is not THE answer. Gun ownership carries a lot of responsibilities and some people just do not want to take those responsibilities and they should not be browbeaten into it.

        •  No should those who are willing (0+ / 0-)

          to take on the responsibility be told that they can't.  

          The thing is that many people who don't agree with this point of view are more than happy to exploit the tragedy to further their agenda, which is even more despicable than what Adam Lanza did.

      •  I agree with this in its entirety (7+ / 0-)

        In my state (CT) there were mandatory gun-safety classes I had to pass before I could get a permit. I would have actually felt more comfortable if there were more.

        I also found that over time, the gun became so much of a crutch that I could not leave my house without it. And carrying a gun means the constant awareness, you have in your possession something that is capable of killing another human being in an instant, and that was never something I got used to. It also made me paranoid, looking for his face in every crowd, coming up with scenarios in my head and playing them out, trying to picture myself shooting another human being. It heightened my fear, and kept me trapped in it. Getting rid of it was a cathartic act-it was saying once and for all, I will not live in fear anymore. Those days are over.

        But, I'm glad that was my choice, and not something anyone forced on me. There is a lot of talk about new restrictions based on mental health, which in addition to seeming like a red herring (there is scant evidence of a causal link between gun violence and mental illness,and where it exists are in the most extreme disorders in which people are out of touch with reality) it makes me worry that something like PTSD will become a dis-qualifier. It's annoying because many of the people championing this are on the right, and really could give a crap about helping the mentally ill, they just want to use them as a scapegoat for gun violence.

        You must work-we must all work-to make a world that is worthy of its children -Pablo Casals Please support TREE Climbers for victims of child sexual abuse and exploitation.

        by SwedishJewfish on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 07:38:00 AM PST

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        •  Well... (7+ / 0-)
          there is scant evidence of a causal link between gun violence and mental illness,and where it exists are in the most extreme disorders in which people are out of touch with reality
          ...yes, if you're talking about homicide.

          One of my big problems with gun debates is how people blithely dismiss the effect of guns in the house on people who are suicidal.

          I'm still here talking to you because my parents did not keep guns in the house when I was 15. I've said this before, but they were able to sew my wrist back together--if my parents had kept guns, they wouldn't have been able to put my brains back in my head.

          And since my 17-year-old daughter inherited the depression (and, if anything, it's worse than mine), yes, I would like to see her prevented by law from having any access to firearms just in case she gets a stupid idea in her head and I'm not around to stop her.

          Firearm suicides COUNT in this discussion. These are all estimates, of course, but suicide-by-gun is estimated to be successful 85 percent of the time. No other method is over 50, and only hanging is close. Wrist-slitting? 25. Pills? 15. Guns? 85. Not having guns in the house is THE NUMBER ONE suicide-prevention tactic if you've got someone suicidal around.

          CoB, eternally grateful his parents hate guns.

          "Maybe: it's a vicious little word that could slay me"--Sara Bareilles

          by ChurchofBruce on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 08:35:34 AM PST

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          •  This is true (4+ / 0-)

            And no, I don't discount suicides at all. I'm taking a break from here for a bit to hang out with the little one (she has a snow day) but there was some data about this I found, showing how having a gun in the home is a risk factor for suicide, and that firearms are used in a disproportionally large number of impulsive suicides...I'll find it and link to it when I get back.

            You must work-we must all work-to make a world that is worthy of its children -Pablo Casals Please support TREE Climbers for victims of child sexual abuse and exploitation.

            by SwedishJewfish on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 09:49:06 AM PST

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            •  Yeah, I've seen it (0+ / 0-)

              but I forget where as well :)

              Hope you enjoyed your snow day. I had one as well--my University shut down for the day. As did my kids' schools. I'm North of Boston, so it's just starting to get deep as hell out there :)

              "Maybe: it's a vicious little word that could slay me"--Sara Bareilles

              by ChurchofBruce on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 04:22:49 PM PST

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