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  •  Fantastic response. 2 words (44+ / 0-)

    Summarize it for me: "It's Wrong".

    But I realize more than two words are sometimes necessary.

    These three sentences break the tie and put it in order.

    One other sentence:

    "Scouts swear to serve and represent the community."

    Period.

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 09:53:30 PM PST

    •  I hate to say it but I don't think that (13+ / 0-)

      the vote in May will overturn the ban. I think it provides cover to individuals who will vote against lifting it.

      I'm only going by what I am hearing in our district, but our council is sending 5 people who are anonymous. It will be hard to find out who they are and their names are not being released so they can avoid harassment. I know one of them and he is an idiot who does not believe muslims should be in scouts so its pretty safe to guess how he will vote.

      Apparently some Christian group shut down the BSA phones by overwhelming them with calls on Monday.

      Idiots.

      I just keep forwarding this essay on Huff Post by James Dale, the man who got this ball rolling in the first  place
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      Even though the first African-American Boy Scout troop was established in 1911, the national organization allowed racially segregated troops well into the 1970s. In Richmond, Va., Boy Scouts executives threatened to burn Boy Scout uniforms in effigy if black children were allowed to wear the same khaki green. Over the course of those 60 years, how much damage was done to the dignity and self-worth of young African-American boys?

      Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

      by voracious on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 08:21:02 AM PST

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      •  The harder the fight for justice (6+ / 0-)

        The better the victory.   It's OK.   They can fight all they want.   The wheels of history are against them.

        Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

        by Chris Reeves on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 08:30:04 AM PST

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        •  This is very true. (7+ / 0-)

          They have already lost. Scouts like my son who is 16 and an Eagle does not want to put that supposed honor on his college or job applications because the people reading them might thinks he hates gay people. His friends who are also Eagle Scouts feel the same way.

          They are losing their newest generation of kids who have earned their highest honor and those kids do not value it. They will not go on to donate money or service to BSA. They will probably not have their kids participate because of the bigotry.

          By the time BSA wakes up to this it will be too late, and the program will have to be rebuilt from the ground up. Unfortunately, the generation of men capable of doing it probably won't bother.

          Right now district executives (paid positions) are under extreme pressure to make their annual fundraising drive successful. They go out into the community and ask for donations to "Friends of Scouting." The funds raised go directly to BSA. I would urge everyone to make a lot of noise about not donating to Friends of Scouting.

          BSA doesn't care when they hear people refuse to donate to scouts raising money, that money goes to individual troops and kids. They care when people say they won't give to Friends of Scouting.

          Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

          by voracious on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 02:10:59 PM PST

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      •  I don't know what the "national organization" (2+ / 0-)
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        being segregated until the 1970's means, but in the 1950s I went to summer camp and district jamborees with AA kids.  This was the Essex County , NJ, district, so that I'm sure other, especially Southern districts were different.  But it's not true that Scouts were completely segregated until the '50's.  I have the usual issues with the Scouts now (the gay and God exclusions), but I have to say that, as a kid who went to Catholic schools through college, Scouting gave me an invaluable exposure to kids of different faiths, ethnicities, "races," etc.  In fact, it never occurred to me up until now that scouting at the time might've been segregated outside the South.  As retrograde as Scouting may have become by now, it was pretty progressive in some regards in my particular time and place.  Up until now I've taken that for granted, but obviously that's been a mistake.  

      •  Dale writes in an op-ed in today's (5+ / 0-)
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        WaPo:

        The Boy Scouts was not the forum to discuss issues of sexuality, the group said, so gay boys would continue to be excluded from the ranks. I had no problem with the first part of the statement, except that it was precisely what made the second part so spurious. If discussions surrounding sexuality have no place in the Scouts, then why ban homosexuals but not heterosexuals?
        I'm becoming a fan of this guy. Keep fighting the good fight, James!

        I'm a Democrat - I believe that government has a positive role to play in the lives of ordinary people.

        by 1BQ on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 11:59:51 AM PST

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