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  •  Corroborating evidence from BSA website (2+ / 0-)
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    My initial response to this was to wonder if that early connection was now an anachronism.  Nope:

    35.4% of West Point cadets were Boy Scouts.

    23% of USAF Academy cadets were Boy Scouts.

    25% of Annapolis midshipmen were Boy Scouts.

    Of course, only boys can be Boy Scouts.  So, lets adjust those numbers to reflect that fact:

    41.9% of all male West Point cadets were Boy Scouts.

    28.4% of all male USAF Academy cadets were Boy Scouts.

    31.2% of all Annapolis midshipmen were Boy Scouts.

    Ancora Impara--Michelangelo

    by aravir on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 05:24:08 AM PST

    •  the full page also includes (11+ / 0-)
      Alumni
      ■181 NASA astronauts were involved in Scouting (57.4% of astronauts). 39 are Eagle Scouts.
      ■35.4 percent of the United States Military Academy (West Point) cadets were involved in Scouting as youth. 14.7 percent of cadets are Eagle Scouts.
      ■23 percent of United States Air Force Academy cadets were involved in Scouting as youth. 12 percent of cadets are Eagle Scouts.
      ■25 percent of United States Naval Academy (Annapolis) midshipmen were involved in Scouting as youth. 11 percent of midshipmen are Eagle Scouts.
      ■206 members of the 112th Congress participated in Scouting as a youth and/or adult leader. 29 are Eagle Scouts.
      ■15 current U.S. governors participated in Scouting as a youth and/or adult volunteer. Four are Eagle Scouts.
      And, from the same page:
      Service
      In 2011, service projects were conducted by more than 2.7 million youth members and more than one million volunteers.

      ■11,963,746 service hours were reported in 2011 for Journey to Excellence.
      ■$206,690,025 of service was provided by Scouts and leaders to communities across America. (Based on the $21.79 Independent Sector value of volunteer time for 2011)
      ■Service projects most commonly reported for Journey to Excellence in 2011 include
      ■Food collection and distribution
      ■Litter cleanup/community beautification
      ■Conservation projects
      ■Military support/appreciation
      ■Serving food

      from Facts about scouting

      Yes, they train military leaders.  They also train political leaders.  And volunteers.  And business leaders.  And religious leaders.  And astronauts.  And scientists.  And ......

      They teach citizenship, leadership, teamwork, individual responsibility and preparedness, basic skills like first aid, cooking, outdoor skills, personal fitness and many more.

      And they need to start teaching (and learning) values like diversity, respect and non discrimination.

    •  Meh (3+ / 0-)
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      It's a little like saying that Little League baseball prepares individuals for the military.  

      I was in scouts, and you don't hear anyone saying scouting trained me to be a stay at home Dad.  Okay, so I was only in scouts for a day, and they had to give me a garbage bag poncho.  

      Streichholzschächtelchen

      by otto on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 06:17:33 AM PST

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      •  Little League's mission (0+ / 0-)

        is not to prepare players for the military.  The BSA's mission has that as a primary goal.  And, considering the disproportionate percentage of academy students, the ultimate intention for whom it is to be the future leaders of the military, who are BSA alumni, it is a goal achieved.

        It is therefore essential to the future esprit de corp of the military that the BSA's objectives be aligned with those of the military.

        Ancora Impara--Michelangelo

        by aravir on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 06:36:22 AM PST

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        •  It doesn't matter what the goal is (0+ / 0-)

          Saying that someone was "in scouts" is pretty flexible.  

          If I had a questionnaire that asked me that question, I'd answer that I was in scouts.  

          It wouldn't be an indication of anything other than the fact that millions of kids do scouts.  

          I don't think their policy change goes far enough, and I can certainly appreciate the connection made in the answer.  I just don't find the answer to be as argument ending as it seems to want to be.

          Streichholzschächtelchen

          by otto on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 06:44:46 AM PST

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    •  Eagle Scouts (0+ / 0-)

      get first shot at Academy appointments.

      I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

      by trumpeter on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 09:53:11 AM PST

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